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> J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests I'm not a fan of shameless whataboutisms, but this one is particularly bad. The at

> J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests I'm not a fan of shameless whataboutisms, but this one is particularly bad. The attempted insurrection on January 6th had nothing to do with Black Lives Matter riots (Funny, you can never say those words. It's always an abbreviation). It was a premeditated attack on the Capitol at the exact time and place the new president was being certified. It is the most cut and dry example of an attempted coup this country has seen in decades, and it was organized and executed by the sitting, and current President. There's no reason for you to try to remake history. Your guy got back into power and made all of his legal problems disappear. He has not avoided prison because he was somehow not guilty. He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system.

pdt409231 1y ago
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- throwawayq3423 1y ago
  > Black Lives Matter riots (Funny, you can never say those words. It's always an abbreviation). > the BLM comparison Hey look, you did it again. > provide context for what the country was going thru at the time No, it's a shameless whataboutism trying to justify your side's riot with a clear political goal with the other side's riots that were more a spontaneous reaction to a horrific crime. Both were riots but the circumstances and purpose of each could not be further apart. > and J6 was partly a counter protest. I know. You need that to be true. But it's not. > he won many of those cases on appeal No, he didn't. He lost every single major court case (E. Jean Carroll Defamation Case, civil fraud case, Georgia Election Interference Case, Falsified Business Records), except for one appeal that kept him on the ballot in Maine despite his coup attempt. https://news.syr.edu/2024/09/10/donald-trump-has-survived-the-legal-cases-that-threatened-his-campaign/ https://news.syr.edu/2024/09/10/donald-trump-has-survived-th... > won the election after which his opponents closed those cases Yes like I said. > He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system. I think we're done here. You're just really interested in remaking reality so that your worldview still makes sense. Political violence, once it starts, is almost impossible to stop. So when I see people excuse it, I get especially angry.
- exasperaited 1y ago
  > Most on the right disapproved of BLM riots, and J6 was partly a counter protest. This is just the most false thing of all false things.
  - throwawayq3423 1y ago
    It's his narrative. It's how he's making sense of it. But most importantly, it's his justification. "The violence on my side is only in response to the violence on your side." This is how such an unambiguous act of political violence makes sense in his head, in the context of it being a defensive action. Of course it's absurd. But in order to stay aligned with your pre-existing worldview, you sometimes have to say and believe absurdities. We are just watching him work through it in public.
dotancohen 1y ago
> He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system. I don't live in the US so maybe I don't understand, but this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant.
- throwawayq3423 1y ago
  > this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant 100%. He found a flaw and exploited it to escape justice, which is different than not being guilty of the crimes he clearly committed.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    Yes, good point.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    On second thought, isn't a core tenet of the US justice system "innocent until proven guilty"? Under that tenet, along with the fact that he was never found guilty, wouldn't US values require considering him innocent? Or have US values changed since that tenet was adopted?
    - throwawayq3423 1y ago
      He had already been convicted of multiple unrelated felonies. He was in the process of being tried in multiple cases in multiple jurisdictions regarding his attempts to compromise an American election, each time with overwhelming, nearly comical evidence against him. Saying he's innocent until proven guilty not only ignores the reality that the cases against him, even based on what is publicly available evidence, were airtight, but also the fact that these cases only went away because he won re-election and made them go away. That's not justice.

pdt409231 1y ago

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throwawayq3423 1y ago
> Black Lives Matter riots (Funny, you can never say those words. It's always an abbreviation). > the BLM comparison Hey look, you did it again. > provide context for what the country was going thru at the time No, it's a shameless whataboutism trying to justify your side's riot with a clear political goal with the other side's riots that were more a spontaneous reaction to a horrific crime. Both were riots but the circumstances and purpose of each could not be further apart. > and J6 was partly a counter protest. I know. You need that to be true. But it's not. > he won many of those cases on appeal No, he didn't. He lost every single major court case (E. Jean Carroll Defamation Case, civil fraud case, Georgia Election Interference Case, Falsified Business Records), except for one appeal that kept him on the ballot in Maine despite his coup attempt. https://news.syr.edu/2024/09/10/donald-trump-has-survived-the-legal-cases-that-threatened-his-campaign/ https://news.syr.edu/2024/09/10/donald-trump-has-survived-th... > won the election after which his opponents closed those cases Yes like I said. > He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system. I think we're done here. You're just really interested in remaking reality so that your worldview still makes sense. Political violence, once it starts, is almost impossible to stop. So when I see people excuse it, I get especially angry.
exasperaited 1y ago
> Most on the right disapproved of BLM riots, and J6 was partly a counter protest. This is just the most false thing of all false things.
- throwawayq3423 1y ago
  It's his narrative. It's how he's making sense of it. But most importantly, it's his justification. "The violence on my side is only in response to the violence on your side." This is how such an unambiguous act of political violence makes sense in his head, in the context of it being a defensive action. Of course it's absurd. But in order to stay aligned with your pre-existing worldview, you sometimes have to say and believe absurdities. We are just watching him work through it in public.

dotancohen 1y ago

> He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system. I don't live in the US so maybe I don't understand, but this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant.

throwawayq3423 1y ago
> this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant 100%. He found a flaw and exploited it to escape justice, which is different than not being guilty of the crimes he clearly committed.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  Yes, good point.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  On second thought, isn't a core tenet of the US justice system "innocent until proven guilty"? Under that tenet, along with the fact that he was never found guilty, wouldn't US values require considering him innocent? Or have US values changed since that tenet was adopted?
  - throwawayq3423 1y ago
    He had already been convicted of multiple unrelated felonies. He was in the process of being tried in multiple cases in multiple jurisdictions regarding his attempts to compromise an American election, each time with overwhelming, nearly comical evidence against him. Saying he's innocent until proven guilty not only ignores the reality that the cases against him, even based on what is publicly available evidence, were airtight, but also the fact that these cases only went away because he won re-election and made them go away. That's not justice.