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Jan 6 was a brazen attempt at a coup. It was Mike Pence who refused to break the country for the narcissist's demands - which was the only reason Biden could be

Jan 6 was a brazen attempt at a coup. It was Mike Pence who refused to break the country for the narcissist's demands - which was the only reason Biden could be sweared in. We were very close to a third world level coup thanks to Trump back in 2021. This time around, the call could be in JD Vance's hands - the same person supporting Republicans blocking the swearing in of a house representative. For all the dirty partisan things you point out about democrats, they have never attempted a coup. If you think our country and constitution is worth fighting for, you too will not support coup candidates, pedophiles, unitary executives, and separation of church and state. As it stands, if you support republicans, you are against the above principles, regardless of your whataboutism.

frumplestlatz 1y ago
I think it’s fascinating that you actually believe a coup is even remotely possible, much less the actual intent. I wonder if the country has ever been so bifurcated in its belief in basic objective facts. A majority of voters reelected Trump. If anything, that just shows how deeply the disagreement about these facts runs.
- nine_zeros 1y ago
  > I think it’s fascinating that you actually believe a coup is even remotely possible, much less the actual intent. Once again, are you not aware of Jan 6? What do you think happens in a third-world coups? Do you think its tanks protecting the coup-master like some blockbuster movie? No. Most coups are subtle - simply by a narcissist not letting go of their seat. Once that happens and people inevitably come to revolt, they call on to their own supporters to protect "freedom" - causing riots or even a civil war - a war caused not for any good but only for that one tyrant's own narcissism. This was America on Jan 6, 2021. We'll see how the next one transition fares.
  - frumplestlatz 1y ago
    Have you watched any of the videos from January 6th? All I saw were a bunch of clueless morons behaving badly, but not violently, in the capital building while Trump literally told them to go home. Embarrassing, ridiculous, stupid, and wrong — but not a coup.
    - tehnoble 1y ago
      They were breaking down the doors of the capitol building to stop certification of a presidential election, blocking the peaceful transition of power. Took 3 hours for Trump to politely ask supporters to stop. What are you talking about it being non violent?
      - frumplestlatz 1y ago
        You can’t stop the certification of a presidential election that way. And they didn’t. Violence would’ve involved more than people wandering around the building being idiots after both being let in and forcing some doors. We’ve seen groups of all shades, stripes, and colors occupy public buildings of all types. There’s a lot of things I could call it, but an attempted coup would not be one of them.
        dragonwriter 1y ago
        > You can’t stop the certification of a presidential election that way. You absolutely can stop it that way, though they only succeeded in delaying it because they missed, by seconds, gaining access to the people involved. Their intent was to change the outcome by intimidating and/or murdering those unwilling to act in the manner they preferred, including especially the VP since there was belief (because a number of prominent figures, notably the President, had endorsed the idea that this could and should be done by the VP or an alternate presiding officer) that the presiding officer could (and a different one would) simply unilaterally decide not to present certain votes in the first place. > Violence would’ve involved more than people wandering around the building being idiots after both being let in and forcing some doors. They weren't just walking around being idiots; a number were armed and body armored, carried restraints for dealing with the people they sought to capture, coerce, and punish for non-cooperation. The thing that stopped their from being more violence is that they were successfully prevented from reaching their targets, including by a large crowd breaking into the Speakers lobby seconds behind a group of legislators and staff departing being stopped by thefirst person through the breach being shot dead.
brazukadev 1y ago
It's crazy that he was allowed to run again, win and amass much, much more power. The next attempt will be much worse.
- frumplestlatz 1y ago
  “Allowed” to run and win? He won the majority of the popular vote. If America did didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted for him.
  - nine_zeros 1y ago
    What they mean by "allowed" is that the President can and should be convicted of treason for preventing constitutional processes such as elections. Brazil had the balls to do it. The fact that America didn't just shows that American constitution, democracy, and people are fragile. If people don't even want to protect their own constitution - the country is already a banana republic.
  - taylodl 1y ago
    > He won the majority of the popular vote. That is false. Trump won the plurality of the popular vote. He got more votes than any other candidate, but it did not exceed 50% of the votes cast.
    - frumplestlatz 1y ago
      If you want to split hairs about 49.81%, that’s fine. You can say plurality.

frumplestlatz 1y ago

I think it’s fascinating that you actually believe a coup is even remotely possible, much less the actual intent. I wonder if the country has ever been so bifurcated in its belief in basic objective facts. A majority of voters reelected Trump. If anything, that just shows how deeply the disagreement about these facts runs.

nine_zeros 1y ago
> I think it’s fascinating that you actually believe a coup is even remotely possible, much less the actual intent. Once again, are you not aware of Jan 6? What do you think happens in a third-world coups? Do you think its tanks protecting the coup-master like some blockbuster movie? No. Most coups are subtle - simply by a narcissist not letting go of their seat. Once that happens and people inevitably come to revolt, they call on to their own supporters to protect "freedom" - causing riots or even a civil war - a war caused not for any good but only for that one tyrant's own narcissism. This was America on Jan 6, 2021. We'll see how the next one transition fares.
- frumplestlatz 1y ago
  Have you watched any of the videos from January 6th? All I saw were a bunch of clueless morons behaving badly, but not violently, in the capital building while Trump literally told them to go home. Embarrassing, ridiculous, stupid, and wrong — but not a coup.
  - tehnoble 1y ago
    They were breaking down the doors of the capitol building to stop certification of a presidential election, blocking the peaceful transition of power. Took 3 hours for Trump to politely ask supporters to stop. What are you talking about it being non violent?
    - frumplestlatz 1y ago
      You can’t stop the certification of a presidential election that way. And they didn’t. Violence would’ve involved more than people wandering around the building being idiots after both being let in and forcing some doors. We’ve seen groups of all shades, stripes, and colors occupy public buildings of all types. There’s a lot of things I could call it, but an attempted coup would not be one of them.
      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        > You can’t stop the certification of a presidential election that way. You absolutely can stop it that way, though they only succeeded in delaying it because they missed, by seconds, gaining access to the people involved. Their intent was to change the outcome by intimidating and/or murdering those unwilling to act in the manner they preferred, including especially the VP since there was belief (because a number of prominent figures, notably the President, had endorsed the idea that this could and should be done by the VP or an alternate presiding officer) that the presiding officer could (and a different one would) simply unilaterally decide not to present certain votes in the first place. > Violence would’ve involved more than people wandering around the building being idiots after both being let in and forcing some doors. They weren't just walking around being idiots; a number were armed and body armored, carried restraints for dealing with the people they sought to capture, coerce, and punish for non-cooperation. The thing that stopped their from being more violence is that they were successfully prevented from reaching their targets, including by a large crowd breaking into the Speakers lobby seconds behind a group of legislators and staff departing being stopped by thefirst person through the breach being shot dead.

brazukadev 1y ago

It's crazy that he was allowed to run again, win and amass much, much more power. The next attempt will be much worse.

frumplestlatz 1y ago
“Allowed” to run and win? He won the majority of the popular vote. If America did didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted for him.
- nine_zeros 1y ago
  What they mean by "allowed" is that the President can and should be convicted of treason for preventing constitutional processes such as elections. Brazil had the balls to do it. The fact that America didn't just shows that American constitution, democracy, and people are fragile. If people don't even want to protect their own constitution - the country is already a banana republic.
- taylodl 1y ago
  > He won the majority of the popular vote. That is false. Trump won the plurality of the popular vote. He got more votes than any other candidate, but it did not exceed 50% of the votes cast.
  - frumplestlatz 1y ago
    If you want to split hairs about 49.81%, that’s fine. You can say plurality.