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To quote DHH: "when much of the media reports a story like this, it's often without citing the specific words in question" I think you lose a lot when you abst
by sgentle 1y ago
To quote DHH: "when much of the media reports a story like this, it's often without citing the specific words in question"
I think you lose a lot when you abstract away someone's words as "positions that alienate". Pineapple on pizza is a position that alienates, as is forced sterilisation of criminals. So here's some specific words:
> London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits [ie white, as specified by the Wikipedia article the words "native Brits" link to]
> There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.
He doesn't think brown people belong in the UK. His "positions" are racism. He's racist. That's the problem.
Where have all the enlightenment-values rationalist monks gone now that we so desperately need people to combine P and P -> Q?
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- flat_zoo 1y ago[flagged]
- sgentle 1y agoAs I said, the Wikipedia article is what the words "native Brits" links to. Here's the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London Here's what the article says: > In 2011, it was reported for the first time that White British people had become a minority within the city How could you possibly come to the conclusion that it's not about race? Do you think he linked to the wrong article by accident?
- flat_zoo 1y ago[flagged]
- hmans 1y ago[dead]
- defrost 1y agoHilariously he's talking about Londinium, a city founded and administrated by non native non British people as part of a foreign beachhead of control by a non British empire. "Native Britains" were excluded as residents or in tiny numbers for four centuries. London has always been a hive of culture, he's just pining for the nostalgic times he wore onions on his belt and was blind to the depth of culture in London. There have been Russians in London since before the USSR, not that DHH would have noticed unless they spoke given so few of those Russian were Asiatic or from the steppes. His point was that he has now finally noticed changes and that he's had his eyes opened by the likes of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, Andrew McMaster, Paul Harris, Wayne King, and Tommy Robinson.
- flat_zoo 1y ago[flagged]
- flat_zoo 1y agoAs a fun fact, both me and my wife can detect ex-USSR immigrant from afar (even those who have been living here in the US for some time). There is something different in how we look, walk, behave etc. Not wrong, just different, and not everybody of course. Humans are very observing when it comes to cultural code and a big part of it is subconcious, you don't even realize it.
- sgentle 1y agoI think you're not getting his key point, or you are but you're being coy about it. He did say skin colour, in the form of "native Brits". How do you know that? Because of the article he linked, defining the terms he was using. The article is called "Ethnic groups in London", not "Cultural groups in London". He quotes statistics about "native Brits" that match the article's demographics for "White British". There is zero ambiguity here. If I say "I love a [sweet treat](wikipedia.org/wiki/ice_cream)! It's so refreshingly cold on a nice hot day", there's just no intellectually honest way to claim maybe I meant apple pie. Do you understand? He's not talking about Russian immigrants because they're white. He is talking about Pakistani immigrants because they're brown. He's literally telling you what he means and you're choosing to ignore it. Why? Perhaps there are, in fact, reasons to not say skin colour even when that's what you mean.
- hmans 1y ago[dead]
- throwawaypath 1y ago>How could you possibly come to the conclusion that it's not about race? It has nothing to do with race, everything to do with ethnicity. Austrians are racially White, but are not native to London. There's nothing wrong with promoting or protecting the interests of native or indigenous people over those of immigrants or foreigners. The only "Brits" native to Great Britain are White Brits.
- epakai 1y agoHis specific words were "it's no longer full of native Brits" with a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London Then he goes on to point out more than sixty percent of the city were "native Brits" in 2000, but that number corresponds to the White British categorization. Ergo he's conflating White British with native British. He also said "A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now." Maybe he is extremely observant, but I don't think that follows unless he is talking about skin color.