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As definitions go, thats well constructed and easy to reason about. But that isn't how the word is used by the media. Mamdani and Trump are both described as p
by paulsutter 1y ago
As definitions go, thats well constructed and easy to reason about.
But that isn't how the word is used by the media. Mamdani and Trump are both described as populists, but resistance to elites is hardly in their platform. Trump would never describe the democrats as "elite", and AFAIK resisting elites isn't Mamdani's platform either.
- exceptione 1y ago"Deep State, Pelosi is a crook" etc Come on man.
- PaulHoule 1y agoSure as hell the Trump administration is at war with the “elite” Ivy League.
- paulsutter 1y agoI can only presume that you properly are using quotes to mock the word "elite", and not because you're quoting Trump? Because I really dont think he uses that framing
- javascriptfan69 1y agoDrain the swamp. The deep state. Etc. These are pseudonyms for "The elite".
- paulsutter 1y agoThere's nothing "elite" about the characters that populate the swamp, or the deep state, not in any sense of the word
- javascriptfan69 1y agoRead the original definition you're responding to. The "elite" is referring to "the establishment" The "deep state" and the "swamp" represent the establishment. You also have people like RFK Jr whose entire claim to fame is questioning the legitimacy of scientific institutions.
- paulsutter 1y agoSo “establishment” means incumbents? So incumbents are the “elite”? That’s what you’re saying, which is absurd, but what you’re really thinking is that your people are better than other people I know is not a deliberate motte-and-bailey, it’s just so fully baked in that you can’t be objective about it
- javascriptfan69 1y agoSorry, but if you don't know what anti-establishment means then you're too uninformed to be part of this conversation. Wikipedia has a great definition if you care.
- paulsutter 1y agoImagine "the establishment" taken over by the worst people as you define it. Perhaps Trump and all the Trump associates you dislike most. Steve Bannon, you name it, the worst people you can think of. Would you call them elites?