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Don't underestimate the AIVD/MIVD. They have quite the history infiltrating Russian networks and operations and operate a rather useful satellite listening post

Don't underestimate the AIVD/MIVD. They have quite the history infiltrating Russian networks and operations and operate a rather useful satellite listening post. That said, the current American administration probably doesn't see Russia as a threat. America has always been spying on Europe, making it a bit harder by not willingly providing intel is a step in the right direction at least.

netsharc 1y ago
It'd be risky if Russia-friendly folks start telling Moscow the intelligence that the Dutch gathered, and some of the current American administration seem very Russia-friendly..
- mdhb 1y ago
  That is very literally the accusation that is being made for the record.
jimbohn 1y ago
Somebody might even say that the administration sees russia as a useful tool to force europeans into paying a protection tol, not sure it's limited to this administration either
hagbard_c 1y ago
> That said, the current American administration probably doesn't see Russia as a threat. That's just pabulum for the masses which you're better off not repeating so as not to appear so easily fooled. Keep your friends close and your enemy closer [1] rings a bell I assume? [1] https://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/keep-your-friends-close-but-your-enemies-closer https://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/keep-your-friends-close-...
- throwawayq3423 1y ago
  No it's a summary of repeated pro-Russia statements and actions. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
- exasperaited 1y ago
  > Keep your friends close and your enemy closer That this is the strategy being deployed is so far without meaningful evidence as far as the rest of the world is concerned. It appears far more scattergun, corrupted, ignorant, incompetent and focused on the aggrandisement of US leadership than really at any time in US history.
CamperBob2 1y ago
That said, the current American administration probably doesn't see Russia as a threat. Gee, you think? https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pete-hegseth-tie-causes-diplomatic-163609695.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pete-hegseth-tie-causes-... The entire Trump administration is indistinguishable from a deliberate -- and very successful -- attack.

netsharc 1y ago

It'd be risky if Russia-friendly folks start telling Moscow the intelligence that the Dutch gathered, and some of the current American administration seem very Russia-friendly..

mdhb 1y ago
That is very literally the accusation that is being made for the record.

jimbohn 1y ago

Somebody might even say that the administration sees russia as a useful tool to force europeans into paying a protection tol, not sure it's limited to this administration either

hagbard_c 1y ago

> That said, the current American administration probably doesn't see Russia as a threat. That's just pabulum for the masses which you're better off not repeating so as not to appear so easily fooled. Keep your friends close and your enemy closer [1] rings a bell I assume? [1] https://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/keep-your-friends-close-but-your-enemies-closer https://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/keep-your-friends-close-...

throwawayq3423 1y ago
No it's a summary of repeated pro-Russia statements and actions. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
exasperaited 1y ago
> Keep your friends close and your enemy closer That this is the strategy being deployed is so far without meaningful evidence as far as the rest of the world is concerned. It appears far more scattergun, corrupted, ignorant, incompetent and focused on the aggrandisement of US leadership than really at any time in US history.

CamperBob2 1y ago

That said, the current American administration probably doesn't see Russia as a threat. Gee, you think? https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pete-hegseth-tie-causes-diplomatic-163609695.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pete-hegseth-tie-causes-... The entire Trump administration is indistinguishable from a deliberate -- and very successful -- attack.