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This is completely wrong and I'm frankly not sure how you came to this conclusion from the parent comment's data. The uncertainty is "we do not know whether th

This is completely wrong and I'm frankly not sure how you came to this conclusion from the parent comment's data. The uncertainty is "we do not know whether the amount of sea level rise due to human GHG emissions will be closer to 40cm, or closer to 100cm 75 years from now". Science communication regarding this has generally always expressed uncertainty. Right wing entertainment masquerading as news frequently portrays it otherwise, but that's easy to do when unencumbered by a connection to reality. Don't confuse what is most profitable to say, with what is most correct to say.

constantcrying 1y ago
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- margalabargala 1y ago
  No idea since I can't read German, but that looks like a news site not a scientific site to me. I'm talking about things written by scientists, not reporters or talking heads. I do think it's telling that you felt the need to reach for things written in a foreign language to try to make your point on an English language discussion site
  - constantcrying 1y ago
    >No idea since I can't read German, but that looks like a news site not a scientific site to me. It is one of the largest German magazines, which certainly has the ambition and ability to shape public perception of issues. What they are saying matters more than any scientific journal. >I'm talking about things written by scientists, not reporters or talking heads. Then you just ignored my post. I was talking about how science is communicated, I was explicitly saying that how scientist talk about this issue and how journalists talk about it are different. It is journalists who shape how an issue is perceived, not scientists. My point was, again, that the uncertainty scientists have in their models is not adequately reported. >I do think it's telling that you felt the need to reach for things written in a foreign language to try to make your point on an English language discussion site It is not a foreign language to me. I brought it up because it is what I am seeing. This is not far right propaganda, it is how the main stream center left is covering the issue of climate change in Germany.
    - margalabargala 1y ago
      Clearly it isn't a foreign language to you, but it's a remarkably self centered act to decide that therefore it's appropriate to use as a part of a discussion on a site that is exclusively in a different language. In other words: bIvalqu'be'. 'ach pIch SoHbe'.
      - constantcrying 1y ago
        If you do not want to talk about this issue then don't. I brought it up because you claimed it was only something the far right claimed. Demanding that someone from another country has to be able to point to a media environment he has no interaction with just so that he can talk about an issue seems incredibly close minded and petty. We both know how to use a translator for a website, this isn't some unreasonable obstacles I am asking you to overcome. Am I just now allowed to share my perspective on anything, because the only sources I can point to on this specific topic are in my native language? How idiotic is that.
        margalabargala 1y ago
        > Am I just now allowed to share my perspective on anything, because the only sources I can point to on this specific topic are in my native language? How idiotic is that. You may shout whatever noises you like into the void. If you would like positive responses, then the noises you make should be tailored to the audience. Being in a language the recipient understands is the bare minimum.
- margalabargala 1y ago
  Perhaps if you articulated why you were convinced that the article you linked was incorrect, that would help you have an argument that boiled down to something more substantive than "nuh uh"
- dang 1y ago
  Can you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? We've asked you more than once before, and you've done it repeatedly in this thread. That's not cool. Your comment here would have been fine without the swipes at the beginning and end. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - constantcrying 1y ago
    Am I right that your shadow banning technique is the post rate limiting? Why don't you make those decisions public or at least communicate them to the user? The response to my post was just as dismissive as my reply to it. I get that you can enforce the rules however you want, so feel free to ban me for that. If I write out multiple paragraphs of good faith reasoning and get a "lol, everything you said of wrong" reply, I get pretty disappointed. The guy is now derailing the conversation about why I use sources from my home country instead of talking about anything of substance.
    - dang 1y ago
      We rate limit accounts when they're in the habit of breaking the site guidelines: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22rate%20limit%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... While we do (usually) post a comment when we're banning an account, we don't post such a comment when we're rate limiting an account. The main reason is that we don't have the resources to do everything that way. It's on the list to build an automated feedback system, perhaps with some sort of probation, but that's not done yet. We can argue about whether or not another comment was as bad as what you posted, but I think this misses the important point, which is that you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly and we've already asked you many times to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45647808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45647808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44141822 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44141822 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43861197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43861197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 Pointing a finger at someone else isn't a helpful way to respond to this, since we need you (I don't mean you personally, of course, but everyone) to follow the rules regardless of what other people are doing or you feel they are.

constantcrying 1y ago

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margalabargala 1y ago
No idea since I can't read German, but that looks like a news site not a scientific site to me. I'm talking about things written by scientists, not reporters or talking heads. I do think it's telling that you felt the need to reach for things written in a foreign language to try to make your point on an English language discussion site
- constantcrying 1y ago
  >No idea since I can't read German, but that looks like a news site not a scientific site to me. It is one of the largest German magazines, which certainly has the ambition and ability to shape public perception of issues. What they are saying matters more than any scientific journal. >I'm talking about things written by scientists, not reporters or talking heads. Then you just ignored my post. I was talking about how science is communicated, I was explicitly saying that how scientist talk about this issue and how journalists talk about it are different. It is journalists who shape how an issue is perceived, not scientists. My point was, again, that the uncertainty scientists have in their models is not adequately reported. >I do think it's telling that you felt the need to reach for things written in a foreign language to try to make your point on an English language discussion site It is not a foreign language to me. I brought it up because it is what I am seeing. This is not far right propaganda, it is how the main stream center left is covering the issue of climate change in Germany.
  - margalabargala 1y ago
    Clearly it isn't a foreign language to you, but it's a remarkably self centered act to decide that therefore it's appropriate to use as a part of a discussion on a site that is exclusively in a different language. In other words: bIvalqu'be'. 'ach pIch SoHbe'.
    - constantcrying 1y ago
      If you do not want to talk about this issue then don't. I brought it up because you claimed it was only something the far right claimed. Demanding that someone from another country has to be able to point to a media environment he has no interaction with just so that he can talk about an issue seems incredibly close minded and petty. We both know how to use a translator for a website, this isn't some unreasonable obstacles I am asking you to overcome. Am I just now allowed to share my perspective on anything, because the only sources I can point to on this specific topic are in my native language? How idiotic is that.
      - margalabargala 1y ago
        > Am I just now allowed to share my perspective on anything, because the only sources I can point to on this specific topic are in my native language? How idiotic is that. You may shout whatever noises you like into the void. If you would like positive responses, then the noises you make should be tailored to the audience. Being in a language the recipient understands is the bare minimum.
margalabargala 1y ago
Perhaps if you articulated why you were convinced that the article you linked was incorrect, that would help you have an argument that boiled down to something more substantive than "nuh uh"
dang 1y ago
Can you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? We've asked you more than once before, and you've done it repeatedly in this thread. That's not cool. Your comment here would have been fine without the swipes at the beginning and end. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- constantcrying 1y ago
  Am I right that your shadow banning technique is the post rate limiting? Why don't you make those decisions public or at least communicate them to the user? The response to my post was just as dismissive as my reply to it. I get that you can enforce the rules however you want, so feel free to ban me for that. If I write out multiple paragraphs of good faith reasoning and get a "lol, everything you said of wrong" reply, I get pretty disappointed. The guy is now derailing the conversation about why I use sources from my home country instead of talking about anything of substance.
  - dang 1y ago
    We rate limit accounts when they're in the habit of breaking the site guidelines: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22rate%20limit%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... While we do (usually) post a comment when we're banning an account, we don't post such a comment when we're rate limiting an account. The main reason is that we don't have the resources to do everything that way. It's on the list to build an automated feedback system, perhaps with some sort of probation, but that's not done yet. We can argue about whether or not another comment was as bad as what you posted, but I think this misses the important point, which is that you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly and we've already asked you many times to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45647808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45647808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44141822 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44141822 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43861197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43861197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857426 Pointing a finger at someone else isn't a helpful way to respond to this, since we need you (I don't mean you personally, of course, but everyone) to follow the rules regardless of what other people are doing or you feel they are.