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> Landlords get in a lot of trouble, for renting illegal apartments. Do you have a source for this because I’m not convinced. Maybe a small portion do but the

> Landlords get in a lot of trouble, for renting illegal apartments. Do you have a source for this because I’m not convinced. Maybe a small portion do but the majority face no penalties. When I was in college the number of questionably legal homes for rent was insane, but I didn’t have time to go after them. A friend of mine did and won, but it required a lot of time. Most of the time the landlord does what they want and the renters don’t have the resources to go after them. You make it sound like it’s the renters who take advantage of the landlords but most of the time it’s the landlords who do whatever they want. The ones who stopped paying rent probably were doing so legally because a lot of them were forced to not work.

bombcar 1y ago
Anything legal involves time and effort, but you certainly cannot do a "rapid eviction" on an illegal or unscheduled apartment. Landlords naturally (e.g., by the nature) have the upper hand because they have the desired thing - the rental. Tenants often have the legal upper hand, but the whole job of the landlord (even good ones!) is to work out which tenants know how to play the game and not rent to them.
- pixelatedindex 1y ago
  > but you certainly cannot do a "rapid eviction" on an illegal or unscheduled apartment. But isn’t that the risk? You’re doing illegal stuff so you’ll attract sketchy folks. > whole job of the landlord (even good ones!) is to work out which tenants know how to play the game and not rent to them. Sounds like discrimination to me, tbh. But you can’t prove it so that makes it “fair” I guess
ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
I probably could find references, but I’m not really up for arguing on the Internet. The laws are quite harsh, but enforcement, not so much.
terminalshort 1y ago
In this case it sounds like "do whatever they want" for the landlords means entering into a mutually agreed upon contract to rent their house when they aren't allowed to by the nonsensical nitpicky rules. But "do whatever they want" for the tenants means squatting. So, yeah, it sounds like the tenants are the ones taking advantage. Tenants can get away with murder.
- pixelatedindex 1y ago
  Look at rentals in college towns… education is already expensive so the tenants just want cheap housing. This attracts many landlords of the slumlord variety but because there’s a contract involved they’re given a pass. But even then they don’t necessarily abide by the contract and students don’t have the time and money to deal with small claims court so they just pay up (or accept the loss). Landlords absolutely take advantage of this situation. As for squatters, yeah they’re taking advantage of lax enforcement but they’re few and far between despite what you’d read on the internet. > Tenants can get away with murder. Sounds like hyperbole I guess my rant is just that renters get shit on because of a few squatters but landlords barely ever get criticized because there’s a contract involved. Some of the stuff I’ve read on the contracts isn’t even legal but a lot of tenants aren’t savvy to cross check laws or they’re owned by huge conglomerates who use stuff like RealPage.
  - terminalshort 1y ago
    I will admit to some bias here. I have been renting now for 22 years and have never had anything beyond a minor problem with a landlord that couldn't be resolved by a phone call. This seems to be the case for 90% of people I know. Then there's that person that is always having problems with landlords / neighbors and I tend to think the problem isn't actually the landlord / neighbors.
    - pixelatedindex 1y ago
      Yeah I can understand. In college I certainly lived with some folks who trashed the place. After I graduated and rented in nicer parts I haven’t had as much of an issue. Except most of them want to keep as much of the security deposit as possible and start coming up with bullshit costs with no itemization. I admit I’m biased against landlords - I hate how much of the costs can be passed down to the renter, like they aren’t making enough already. The best ones IME are the ones who have one or two properties, and the ones who have close to a dozen are a nightmare. Never been happier after buying my own place.

bombcar 1y ago

Anything legal involves time and effort, but you certainly cannot do a "rapid eviction" on an illegal or unscheduled apartment. Landlords naturally (e.g., by the nature) have the upper hand because they have the desired thing - the rental. Tenants often have the legal upper hand, but the whole job of the landlord (even good ones!) is to work out which tenants know how to play the game and not rent to them.

pixelatedindex 1y ago
> but you certainly cannot do a "rapid eviction" on an illegal or unscheduled apartment. But isn’t that the risk? You’re doing illegal stuff so you’ll attract sketchy folks. > whole job of the landlord (even good ones!) is to work out which tenants know how to play the game and not rent to them. Sounds like discrimination to me, tbh. But you can’t prove it so that makes it “fair” I guess

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago

I probably could find references, but I’m not really up for arguing on the Internet. The laws are quite harsh, but enforcement, not so much.

terminalshort 1y ago

In this case it sounds like "do whatever they want" for the landlords means entering into a mutually agreed upon contract to rent their house when they aren't allowed to by the nonsensical nitpicky rules. But "do whatever they want" for the tenants means squatting. So, yeah, it sounds like the tenants are the ones taking advantage. Tenants can get away with murder.

pixelatedindex 1y ago
Look at rentals in college towns… education is already expensive so the tenants just want cheap housing. This attracts many landlords of the slumlord variety but because there’s a contract involved they’re given a pass. But even then they don’t necessarily abide by the contract and students don’t have the time and money to deal with small claims court so they just pay up (or accept the loss). Landlords absolutely take advantage of this situation. As for squatters, yeah they’re taking advantage of lax enforcement but they’re few and far between despite what you’d read on the internet. > Tenants can get away with murder. Sounds like hyperbole I guess my rant is just that renters get shit on because of a few squatters but landlords barely ever get criticized because there’s a contract involved. Some of the stuff I’ve read on the contracts isn’t even legal but a lot of tenants aren’t savvy to cross check laws or they’re owned by huge conglomerates who use stuff like RealPage.
- terminalshort 1y ago
  I will admit to some bias here. I have been renting now for 22 years and have never had anything beyond a minor problem with a landlord that couldn't be resolved by a phone call. This seems to be the case for 90% of people I know. Then there's that person that is always having problems with landlords / neighbors and I tend to think the problem isn't actually the landlord / neighbors.
  - pixelatedindex 1y ago
    Yeah I can understand. In college I certainly lived with some folks who trashed the place. After I graduated and rented in nicer parts I haven’t had as much of an issue. Except most of them want to keep as much of the security deposit as possible and start coming up with bullshit costs with no itemization. I admit I’m biased against landlords - I hate how much of the costs can be passed down to the renter, like they aren’t making enough already. The best ones IME are the ones who have one or two properties, and the ones who have close to a dozen are a nightmare. Never been happier after buying my own place.