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As someone that's been a lifelong windows user, i'm finally switching to a mac this month. I have a large rig that I run as a dual linux/windows machine, but t

As someone that's been a lifelong windows user, i'm finally switching to a mac this month. I have a large rig that I run as a dual linux/windows machine, but the quality of windows laptops have been getting poorer and poorer and the OS is increasingly becoming incredibly intrusive while removing core features. I want to be able to search without it taking 5 mintues. I used to be incredibly pro windows laptops due to aspects like repairability, but i've had a horrific experience with Lenovo just trying to get a keyboard repaired. In the end, if I need to choose between two systems, both of which are unrepairable, i'd much rather have the one that will last me longer. I don't want to use my singular experience as a data-point, but I'm someone that has never even thought about buying a mac before this, but the poor quality of windows OS has forced me.

DiabloD3 1y ago
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- Yoric 1y ago
  I'm a longtime (and happy) Linux user, but I have to admit that for many applications, UX remains much better on macOS.
  - Jnr 1y ago
    I don't care about the UX of the specific applications, most of them work on Mac/Windows/Linux anyway. What I care about is the window manager and macOS has a terrible window manager. That is why I am using Aerospace on macOS, and it makes things better, but it's still far from what Linux has to offer.
    - Yoric 1y ago
      I'll have to agree on that, I'm quite unhappy with the macOS window manager. On the other hand, I'm yet to find a Linux word processor or spreadsheet with a UX nearly as good as Apple's Pages or Numbers.
    - commandersaki 1y ago
      I had a brief hiatus of not using macs for work and gave linux a spin on a framework laptop. Tried sway / wayland since everyone at work was either using sway or i3. It was alright at first and i got in the groove of things but became unusable with apps with odd ui toolkits like ghidra/java awt, etc. Also too much time is wasted in customisation and organising or curating your windows. Switched back to mac after about a year, and i can't say i miss tiling window management one bit. I've learned that i am quite content with the chaotic style of window management that mac offers, and find it much easier to work with since you're not wasting brain cycles perfecting your layout every time a new window is opened. I do use macos out of box tiling / snapping on the rare occasion i need side by side layout but that's really it.
      - Jnr 1y ago
        Just install Gnome and be done with it. You don't install Sway or Hyprland unless you specifically want to tinker with it a lot.
- seedless-sensat 1y ago
  Adding an alternate data point, I was a heavy Linux desktop user, and had an adjustment period when my workplace gave me a Mac 10 years ago. Yes there are random differences. However, now I wouldn't look back for my personal compute needs.
  - Jnr 1y ago
    I have been actively using all of them - Linux, Windows and macOS for the past 15-20 years and currently Linux has the best desktop environments possible. macOS is still stuck in 2010 and it is quite painful to work with my Macbook even with all the tweaks and modifications. Sure, you can live with it, but there is always something annoying about it and you can't do anything about it. Apple has the best laptops but the worst desktop environment that does all the window management, etc.
- ho_schi 1y ago
  The window-management of macOS is pain. As the application menus. Outside of the application windows! Core applications like Finder are so bad, that even Apple-Fans admit it (not lack of features, it is the crippled UI). And they keep using this desktop-metaphor. The UX of all Windows applications is crap. Everyone is using an own toolkit and neglects design guidelines. But the worst thing is, setup and maintenance are the biggest pain ever. If you can, Linux. If you must, macOS. If you prefer agony, Windows. PS: Simple hint, never do something like Microsoft. Chances are high, that it is good.
- randomgermanguy 1y ago
  If the alternative is a Linux-distro, likely UX won't be much better/more-consistent when applications use different UI kits/styles etc. Even Though Apple is doing a shitty job with their walled garden, a garden is still more organized than a jungle of different distro's/applications/frameworks/etc. (at least in my limited experience)
- prmph 1y ago
  Yeah Apple hardware is good, but oh boy, there are many design choices in MacOS that are real head-scratchers - The over-reliance on weird key combinations and touchpad gestures, that you have no way of guessing until you look it up, and if it is for something you only perform once in a while, you need to look it up every time you need to do it. - The refusal to adopt the best parts of Windows's file explorer in the Finder app - Bad window size/position management that is seemingly never fixed - The lack of support for proper virtualization - And more
- beaker52 1y ago
  > Nobody makes it and stays a Mac user today unless you're a real masochist. That’s a curious take for a Linux user. Sounds a little like you might be projecting with that one?
- endymion-light 1y ago
  I still run Linux, just on my main PC where I have far more control over hardware. Honestly, I've learned that there's a mental trade-off, and while i've got my linux system set up perfectly on my home PC, for a laptop I would much rather have something that just works. I ran my old laptop with multiple different distros, from Ubuntu to Manjaro to Fedora. While I love the customizability of linux, there would always be some sitaution where I need to have something ready at the last minute but the driver isn't compatible or I haven't set up a specific acceleration etc. It's a balance, I'm happy with that development process on my home PC, but if i'm travelling on a train I want something that I can rely on working. Windows used to be that to a certain extent, and for me it's no longer capable of doing so.
- commandersaki 1y ago
  Nobody makes it and stays a Mac user today unless you're a real masochist. Funny, for me it is win/linux that is painful because of decent accessibility software. Ever since switching from linux to mac in 2003, mac has great accessibility tools for vision impairment out of box experience and has never let me down for the last 22 years. With windows the tooling is unusable. With linux i've tried on and off over the years and the tools keep changing or are inconsistent and/or broken.
ho_schi 1y ago
Keyboard Repair Lenovo ThinkPad: X13: 60 seconds X1 and everything from Apple: You’re literally doomed. Complete disassembly required. At least Lenovo documents well how to remove the base cover, battery, mainboard, display… All of that pain for 1 mm less height and a sharp palmrest. I surprised how much pain people with Windows can suffer and keep using it. With weird arguments like “I forced to use that application” and “Ans Linux doesn’t do FSR4.1 something”. You decided that you need that?
- dewey 1y ago
  > X13: 60 seconds If you know what you are doing, and have that spare part including the correct screwdriver and screws in the shelf next to your desk? How often does your keyboard fail? I've never had that happen in all my computing life and the other parts are usually not that easy to change for any regular person on a laptop. Not sure if that's the scenario to optimize for.
  - ho_schi 1y ago
    For regular users with a consumer laptop, a damaged key or keyboard means: Laptop defunct. Use an external keyboard if not affordable. Used my X220 for ten years, handled it with care, but after ten years a new keyboard was a nice uplift. You can also switch languages but especially also the layout between ANSI- and ISO. Buying an Apple device with ANSI in Europe? Pain. ThinkPads? Buy anything. 30 EUR and new keyboard.
    - louthy 1y ago
      So even after 10 years you didn’t need a new keyboard, you just wanted one? I think you’ve proved the GP’s point.
      - ho_schi 1y ago
        How many people use a laptop for ten years?
heresie-dabord 1y ago
The year I dumped all Apple hardware was when I discovered that the Corporatron was deprecating my perfectly capable Mac hardware -- via an XML property in a hidden plist -- simply because Corporatron decreed that my hardware was insufficient to "upgrade to the latest OS". But I modified that plist and my Mac ran the latest OS just fine. Microsoft has done the same thing with the transition from MW10 to MW11. Corporatron is doing something wrong and bad for the environment... to satisfy the needs of Corporatron. I have long preferred the freedom of GNU/Linux. But Corporatron is making a zealot of me. ^_^
- jonhohle 1y ago
  This year Apple decided to drop support for FireWire hardware (which I still use). For some things like optical drives it’s still the best option, especially with a lot of hardware attached. It’s not my trigger to defect, but it’s getting closer.
  - klipklop 1y ago
    The last time I used FireWire I had acne and a skateboard was my main source of transportation. I am now middle aged. Surprised to see anybody saying FireWire support is the hill they will die on. I don't really get how FireWire is best for optical drives. I have been using USB CD/DVD/BluRay drives for over a decade now without an issue.
    - jonhohle 1y ago
      I have a lot of devices and have an app that supports a lot of device types. FireWire (like Thunderbolt) means daisy chaining those devices with a single port on the host. With USB I need hubs which need external power and may or may not work at full speed with different cables and all devices need cables long enough to go back to the host or hub.
jonhohle 1y ago
Apple hardware is as good as it’s ever been, but macOS has seen better days. The fun of everything being scriptable, consistency throughout the system, and even stability has been replaced with transitional pains of a new application framework, iOS-ification of much of the system, and inconsistent behavior that I have trouble reasoning about, despite using Macs as my frontend almost exclusively for the past 20 years. That being said, I bought an old Dell last year for dev work (primarily Linux) and I can’t believe most of the world puts up with Windows. It seems like desktop computing is an afterthought.
- dijit 1y ago
  Agree completely. MacOS has never been worse. However it has never been this much better than Windows.
  - thebytefairy 1y ago
    What issues do you face on windows? I use both Mac and windows daily and I can't say I entirely prefer one over the other, and in recent years I've run into more noticeable bugs on macOS (although it does look better)
    - dijit 1y ago
      Performance. Even on literally top of the line machines (Razer Blade 18, Ultra 9 275HX, 64G DDR5, NVMe over PCIE4, 240Hz display) the thing feels sluggish. UI "quirks" such as hiding the context menu, taskbar being forced into place, and the removal of the "never combine" taskbar buttons are just gobsmacking. Worse, Windows Pioneered "drag and drop" yet now we can't even drag and drop files or shortcuts onto taskbar icons.. a workflow I actually used a lot and which is still supported in MacOS. The forced integration is also a non-starter. MacOS doesn't require online accounts, Apps (onedrive, Teams, Cortana et al) or force "suggestions" down my throat in the UI even though I am constantly told that Apple are the ones who force their ecosystem on me.
      - wredcoll 1y ago
lostmsu 1y ago
I bought $600 HP Omnibook 5, and that machine is a beast with its Ryzen AI 350.
bryanlarsen 1y ago
Everybody complains about both Windows & MacOS getting worse, but Linux isn't. The last few versions of KDE have been really nice.
general1465 1y ago
I am windows user who uses MacOS sometimes and I am still bewildered why I can't change Enter (rename) to behave, like an Enter (open) and Del to delete a file.
- danaris 1y ago
  Can you change the "Enter" behavior on Windows to rename the file? Can you change the Home/End behavior on Windows to match the macOS behavior? (Legit don't know the answer to these, but I suspect not...) If you can't do this on Windows, why would you expect to be able to do it the reverse direction on Mac? Just because it's how Windows works, and you expect the entire rest of the world to cater to the way you expect things to be when you have to go there? I only use Windows occasionally, but when I do, I expect it to act like Windows.
  - general1465 1y ago
    yes you can https://superuser.com/questions/1758687/how-to-set-enter-to-rename-file-in-windows https://superuser.com/questions/1758687/how-to-set-enter-to-...
    - danaris 1y ago
      You have posted a link to a question asking about it that does not actually appear to have a valid answer provided. Someone mentions using F2 (which does not change the Enter behavior), and someone talks about using some third-party utility to globally remap Enter, which is definitely not a good way to do that (as they even point out). Again, I'm willing to believe that it may be possible—but you have not provided any evidence thereof.
      - general1465 1y ago
        If you would read it you would find ...Sharpkeys is the best remap utility out there. Also, no, you don't want to remap the Enter key, ... So yes you can.
thiht 1y ago
If you want to survive on macOS after using Windows your whole life, I strongly suggest you install AltTab[1]. The default cmd+tab behavior on macOS is completely outdated and makes no sense (you can't cmd+tab between open windows of the same applications). [1]: https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/
- lukeholder 1y ago
  Command+Tab and Command+` is all you need?
  - thiht 1y ago
    Cmd+` doesn't work on an azerty layout for some reason. And even if it did, it doesn't make sense. Why would I want to first cmd+tab to the correct application and then cmd+` to the correct window if I can just do it with cmd+tab? I get why it was done this way historically, but they should really make a general setting to fix this behavior, because it really feels like a bug nowadays.
- seec 1y ago
  Agreed. I'm a Mac user first but I have spent a lot of time in Windows in past years. Now that I have been used to both, I think much of the macOS multi-tasking behavior makes very little sense and is a major pain in the ass. Switching apps instead of windows is extremely dumb and rather useless when there are multiple windows of the same app. Similarly, I have grown to hate the app centric design, you need to micromanage open apps when all their windows have been closed. Now that I'm used to the confortable way software gets closed when the last document is closed on Windows, I routinely forget to quit apps on macOS and end up with a gazillion stuff open routinely. I'm sure Apple likes it this way because you are guaranteed to use more RAM (BTW my experience is that for the same exact hardware, macOS use more ressources) but it's mostly just extremely dumb and painful. Nowadays when I hear Apple fans rave about the UI/UX of Apple stuff, I laugh my ass off. Most of it is deeply unintuitive and the approach is very often just plain inferior to what Windows ended up with. I actually think it's kind of the point. Macs appeal to "alternative" people who are very contrarian and want to pretend they are special; it's kind of a feature that the thing works completely differently to the established standard (and what most people would expect), you have to be "in on it" and if you pretend it make sense, you get virtual points for being so different and so much smarter than the common folk (who obviously is an idiot with his common Windows). I think that if Apple would make using 3rd party OSs on their good hardware, macOS would disappear pretty fast. This is why they don't make a lot of effort with Apple Silicon.
jkmcf 1y ago
Contrary to what others say, I don't think MacOS is that bad. In general, it's perfectly stable. There has been an increase in situational paper cuts -- I haven't experienced any I recall, but one cannot discount that others encounter weird problems. In the end it's significantly more stable than Windows and completely free of crapware. Personally, the new look is annoying at worst, but it doesn't affect my day to day at all. The biggest Apple problem is the same as its been for a decade: languishing Apple app development.

DiabloD3 1y ago

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Yoric 1y ago
I'm a longtime (and happy) Linux user, but I have to admit that for many applications, UX remains much better on macOS.
- Jnr 1y ago
  I don't care about the UX of the specific applications, most of them work on Mac/Windows/Linux anyway. What I care about is the window manager and macOS has a terrible window manager. That is why I am using Aerospace on macOS, and it makes things better, but it's still far from what Linux has to offer.
  - Yoric 1y ago
    I'll have to agree on that, I'm quite unhappy with the macOS window manager. On the other hand, I'm yet to find a Linux word processor or spreadsheet with a UX nearly as good as Apple's Pages or Numbers.
  - commandersaki 1y ago
    I had a brief hiatus of not using macs for work and gave linux a spin on a framework laptop. Tried sway / wayland since everyone at work was either using sway or i3. It was alright at first and i got in the groove of things but became unusable with apps with odd ui toolkits like ghidra/java awt, etc. Also too much time is wasted in customisation and organising or curating your windows. Switched back to mac after about a year, and i can't say i miss tiling window management one bit. I've learned that i am quite content with the chaotic style of window management that mac offers, and find it much easier to work with since you're not wasting brain cycles perfecting your layout every time a new window is opened. I do use macos out of box tiling / snapping on the rare occasion i need side by side layout but that's really it.
    - Jnr 1y ago
      Just install Gnome and be done with it. You don't install Sway or Hyprland unless you specifically want to tinker with it a lot.
seedless-sensat 1y ago
Adding an alternate data point, I was a heavy Linux desktop user, and had an adjustment period when my workplace gave me a Mac 10 years ago. Yes there are random differences. However, now I wouldn't look back for my personal compute needs.
- Jnr 1y ago
  I have been actively using all of them - Linux, Windows and macOS for the past 15-20 years and currently Linux has the best desktop environments possible. macOS is still stuck in 2010 and it is quite painful to work with my Macbook even with all the tweaks and modifications. Sure, you can live with it, but there is always something annoying about it and you can't do anything about it. Apple has the best laptops but the worst desktop environment that does all the window management, etc.
ho_schi 1y ago
The window-management of macOS is pain. As the application menus. Outside of the application windows! Core applications like Finder are so bad, that even Apple-Fans admit it (not lack of features, it is the crippled UI). And they keep using this desktop-metaphor. The UX of all Windows applications is crap. Everyone is using an own toolkit and neglects design guidelines. But the worst thing is, setup and maintenance are the biggest pain ever. If you can, Linux. If you must, macOS. If you prefer agony, Windows. PS: Simple hint, never do something like Microsoft. Chances are high, that it is good.
randomgermanguy 1y ago
If the alternative is a Linux-distro, likely UX won't be much better/more-consistent when applications use different UI kits/styles etc. Even Though Apple is doing a shitty job with their walled garden, a garden is still more organized than a jungle of different distro's/applications/frameworks/etc. (at least in my limited experience)
prmph 1y ago
Yeah Apple hardware is good, but oh boy, there are many design choices in MacOS that are real head-scratchers - The over-reliance on weird key combinations and touchpad gestures, that you have no way of guessing until you look it up, and if it is for something you only perform once in a while, you need to look it up every time you need to do it. - The refusal to adopt the best parts of Windows's file explorer in the Finder app - Bad window size/position management that is seemingly never fixed - The lack of support for proper virtualization - And more
beaker52 1y ago
> Nobody makes it and stays a Mac user today unless you're a real masochist. That’s a curious take for a Linux user. Sounds a little like you might be projecting with that one?
endymion-light 1y ago
I still run Linux, just on my main PC where I have far more control over hardware. Honestly, I've learned that there's a mental trade-off, and while i've got my linux system set up perfectly on my home PC, for a laptop I would much rather have something that just works. I ran my old laptop with multiple different distros, from Ubuntu to Manjaro to Fedora. While I love the customizability of linux, there would always be some sitaution where I need to have something ready at the last minute but the driver isn't compatible or I haven't set up a specific acceleration etc. It's a balance, I'm happy with that development process on my home PC, but if i'm travelling on a train I want something that I can rely on working. Windows used to be that to a certain extent, and for me it's no longer capable of doing so.
commandersaki 1y ago
Nobody makes it and stays a Mac user today unless you're a real masochist. Funny, for me it is win/linux that is painful because of decent accessibility software. Ever since switching from linux to mac in 2003, mac has great accessibility tools for vision impairment out of box experience and has never let me down for the last 22 years. With windows the tooling is unusable. With linux i've tried on and off over the years and the tools keep changing or are inconsistent and/or broken.

ho_schi 1y ago

Keyboard Repair Lenovo ThinkPad: X13: 60 seconds X1 and everything from Apple: You’re literally doomed. Complete disassembly required. At least Lenovo documents well how to remove the base cover, battery, mainboard, display… All of that pain for 1 mm less height and a sharp palmrest. I surprised how much pain people with Windows can suffer and keep using it. With weird arguments like “I forced to use that application” and “Ans Linux doesn’t do FSR4.1 something”. You decided that you need that?

dewey 1y ago
> X13: 60 seconds If you know what you are doing, and have that spare part including the correct screwdriver and screws in the shelf next to your desk? How often does your keyboard fail? I've never had that happen in all my computing life and the other parts are usually not that easy to change for any regular person on a laptop. Not sure if that's the scenario to optimize for.
- ho_schi 1y ago
  For regular users with a consumer laptop, a damaged key or keyboard means: Laptop defunct. Use an external keyboard if not affordable. Used my X220 for ten years, handled it with care, but after ten years a new keyboard was a nice uplift. You can also switch languages but especially also the layout between ANSI- and ISO. Buying an Apple device with ANSI in Europe? Pain. ThinkPads? Buy anything. 30 EUR and new keyboard.
  - louthy 1y ago
    So even after 10 years you didn’t need a new keyboard, you just wanted one? I think you’ve proved the GP’s point.
    - ho_schi 1y ago
      How many people use a laptop for ten years?

heresie-dabord 1y ago

The year I dumped all Apple hardware was when I discovered that the Corporatron was deprecating my perfectly capable Mac hardware -- via an XML property in a hidden plist -- simply because Corporatron decreed that my hardware was insufficient to "upgrade to the latest OS". But I modified that plist and my Mac ran the latest OS just fine. Microsoft has done the same thing with the transition from MW10 to MW11. Corporatron is doing something wrong and bad for the environment... to satisfy the needs of Corporatron. I have long preferred the freedom of GNU/Linux. But Corporatron is making a zealot of me. ^_^

jonhohle 1y ago
This year Apple decided to drop support for FireWire hardware (which I still use). For some things like optical drives it’s still the best option, especially with a lot of hardware attached. It’s not my trigger to defect, but it’s getting closer.
- klipklop 1y ago
  The last time I used FireWire I had acne and a skateboard was my main source of transportation. I am now middle aged. Surprised to see anybody saying FireWire support is the hill they will die on. I don't really get how FireWire is best for optical drives. I have been using USB CD/DVD/BluRay drives for over a decade now without an issue.
  - jonhohle 1y ago
    I have a lot of devices and have an app that supports a lot of device types. FireWire (like Thunderbolt) means daisy chaining those devices with a single port on the host. With USB I need hubs which need external power and may or may not work at full speed with different cables and all devices need cables long enough to go back to the host or hub.

jonhohle 1y ago

Apple hardware is as good as it’s ever been, but macOS has seen better days. The fun of everything being scriptable, consistency throughout the system, and even stability has been replaced with transitional pains of a new application framework, iOS-ification of much of the system, and inconsistent behavior that I have trouble reasoning about, despite using Macs as my frontend almost exclusively for the past 20 years. That being said, I bought an old Dell last year for dev work (primarily Linux) and I can’t believe most of the world puts up with Windows. It seems like desktop computing is an afterthought.

dijit 1y ago
Agree completely. MacOS has never been worse. However it has never been this much better than Windows.
- thebytefairy 1y ago
  What issues do you face on windows? I use both Mac and windows daily and I can't say I entirely prefer one over the other, and in recent years I've run into more noticeable bugs on macOS (although it does look better)
  - dijit 1y ago
    Performance. Even on literally top of the line machines (Razer Blade 18, Ultra 9 275HX, 64G DDR5, NVMe over PCIE4, 240Hz display) the thing feels sluggish. UI "quirks" such as hiding the context menu, taskbar being forced into place, and the removal of the "never combine" taskbar buttons are just gobsmacking. Worse, Windows Pioneered "drag and drop" yet now we can't even drag and drop files or shortcuts onto taskbar icons.. a workflow I actually used a lot and which is still supported in MacOS. The forced integration is also a non-starter. MacOS doesn't require online accounts, Apps (onedrive, Teams, Cortana et al) or force "suggestions" down my throat in the UI even though I am constantly told that Apple are the ones who force their ecosystem on me.
    - wredcoll 1y ago

lostmsu 1y ago

I bought $600 HP Omnibook 5, and that machine is a beast with its Ryzen AI 350.

bryanlarsen 1y ago

Everybody complains about both Windows & MacOS getting worse, but Linux isn't. The last few versions of KDE have been really nice.

general1465 1y ago

I am windows user who uses MacOS sometimes and I am still bewildered why I can't change Enter (rename) to behave, like an Enter (open) and Del to delete a file.

danaris 1y ago
Can you change the "Enter" behavior on Windows to rename the file? Can you change the Home/End behavior on Windows to match the macOS behavior? (Legit don't know the answer to these, but I suspect not...) If you can't do this on Windows, why would you expect to be able to do it the reverse direction on Mac? Just because it's how Windows works, and you expect the entire rest of the world to cater to the way you expect things to be when you have to go there? I only use Windows occasionally, but when I do, I expect it to act like Windows.
- general1465 1y ago
  yes you can https://superuser.com/questions/1758687/how-to-set-enter-to-rename-file-in-windows https://superuser.com/questions/1758687/how-to-set-enter-to-...
  - danaris 1y ago
    You have posted a link to a question asking about it that does not actually appear to have a valid answer provided. Someone mentions using F2 (which does not change the Enter behavior), and someone talks about using some third-party utility to globally remap Enter, which is definitely not a good way to do that (as they even point out). Again, I'm willing to believe that it may be possible—but you have not provided any evidence thereof.
    - general1465 1y ago
      If you would read it you would find ...Sharpkeys is the best remap utility out there. Also, no, you don't want to remap the Enter key, ... So yes you can.

thiht 1y ago

If you want to survive on macOS after using Windows your whole life, I strongly suggest you install AltTab[1]. The default cmd+tab behavior on macOS is completely outdated and makes no sense (you can't cmd+tab between open windows of the same applications). [1]: https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/

lukeholder 1y ago
Command+Tab and Command+` is all you need?
- thiht 1y ago
  Cmd+` doesn't work on an azerty layout for some reason. And even if it did, it doesn't make sense. Why would I want to first cmd+tab to the correct application and then cmd+` to the correct window if I can just do it with cmd+tab? I get why it was done this way historically, but they should really make a general setting to fix this behavior, because it really feels like a bug nowadays.
seec 1y ago
Agreed. I'm a Mac user first but I have spent a lot of time in Windows in past years. Now that I have been used to both, I think much of the macOS multi-tasking behavior makes very little sense and is a major pain in the ass. Switching apps instead of windows is extremely dumb and rather useless when there are multiple windows of the same app. Similarly, I have grown to hate the app centric design, you need to micromanage open apps when all their windows have been closed. Now that I'm used to the confortable way software gets closed when the last document is closed on Windows, I routinely forget to quit apps on macOS and end up with a gazillion stuff open routinely. I'm sure Apple likes it this way because you are guaranteed to use more RAM (BTW my experience is that for the same exact hardware, macOS use more ressources) but it's mostly just extremely dumb and painful. Nowadays when I hear Apple fans rave about the UI/UX of Apple stuff, I laugh my ass off. Most of it is deeply unintuitive and the approach is very often just plain inferior to what Windows ended up with. I actually think it's kind of the point. Macs appeal to "alternative" people who are very contrarian and want to pretend they are special; it's kind of a feature that the thing works completely differently to the established standard (and what most people would expect), you have to be "in on it" and if you pretend it make sense, you get virtual points for being so different and so much smarter than the common folk (who obviously is an idiot with his common Windows). I think that if Apple would make using 3rd party OSs on their good hardware, macOS would disappear pretty fast. This is why they don't make a lot of effort with Apple Silicon.

jkmcf 1y ago

Contrary to what others say, I don't think MacOS is that bad. In general, it's perfectly stable. There has been an increase in situational paper cuts -- I haven't experienced any I recall, but one cannot discount that others encounter weird problems. In the end it's significantly more stable than Windows and completely free of crapware. Personally, the new look is annoying at worst, but it doesn't affect my day to day at all. The biggest Apple problem is the same as its been for a decade: languishing Apple app development.