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What you call "some little team" others might call grassroots politics. And it's the alternative to top-down partisan politics. Ideas are nice, and important,

What you call "some little team" others might call grassroots politics. And it's the alternative to top-down partisan politics. Ideas are nice, and important, but there needs to be an action vector for those ideas to have practical value.

riazrizvi 1y ago
Grassroots politics is a superset of what I'm objecting to which is a (premature) drive to have the problem taken care of by someone in government. Before we get there, we want a healthy public dialogue where people can organize themselves into camps, using good old fashioned social media. Bring your memes, your satire, stuff like this. What's the position to take to a politician? It's unclear yet.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  I don't think it's premature at all. HN often objects to this sort of "overreach" and then witnesses the consequences firsthand (eg. Apple's App Store censorship). We can already demonstrate that AI has mishandled intellectual property and caused damage to rightsholders - I definitely don't think robots are coming for my job but I absolutely support corrective regulation. The alternative is forfeiting copyright as we know it. The US cannot move fast and break things forever. If American businesses want to sell digital tchotchkes, then we first have to convince rightsholders that they own anything of value.
  - riazrizvi 1y ago
    Copyright? That’s certainly an issue, but a left turn from OP’s website.
- DavidPiper 1y ago
  Substituting direct political action for complaining and memes on social media has a long history of making people feel like they're "contributing to the discourse" while actually having no practical political impact at all.
  - riazrizvi 1y ago
    The community needs to know what the issue is, the issues need to ‘ripen’ in that respect. Pursuing a PAC before that, means it will be too random. The discussion here shows we don’t yet share common understanding of the key issues with GenAI.

riazrizvi 1y ago

Grassroots politics is a superset of what I'm objecting to which is a (premature) drive to have the problem taken care of by someone in government. Before we get there, we want a healthy public dialogue where people can organize themselves into camps, using good old fashioned social media. Bring your memes, your satire, stuff like this. What's the position to take to a politician? It's unclear yet.

bigyabai 1y ago
I don't think it's premature at all. HN often objects to this sort of "overreach" and then witnesses the consequences firsthand (eg. Apple's App Store censorship). We can already demonstrate that AI has mishandled intellectual property and caused damage to rightsholders - I definitely don't think robots are coming for my job but I absolutely support corrective regulation. The alternative is forfeiting copyright as we know it. The US cannot move fast and break things forever. If American businesses want to sell digital tchotchkes, then we first have to convince rightsholders that they own anything of value.
- riazrizvi 1y ago
  Copyright? That’s certainly an issue, but a left turn from OP’s website.
DavidPiper 1y ago
Substituting direct political action for complaining and memes on social media has a long history of making people feel like they're "contributing to the discourse" while actually having no practical political impact at all.
- riazrizvi 1y ago
  The community needs to know what the issue is, the issues need to ‘ripen’ in that respect. Pursuing a PAC before that, means it will be too random. The discussion here shows we don’t yet share common understanding of the key issues with GenAI.