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It is not consistent, is the reddit app going to be removed next? It makes no sense. What about violent FPS games? Consistency would be that they in fact are r

It is not consistent, is the reddit app going to be removed next? It makes no sense. What about violent FPS games? Consistency would be that they in fact are removing everything that's NSFW.

mschuster91 1y ago
The consistency is that the presence of a Reddit app or a Youtube app per se doesn't reveal too much about the device owner. A Bible reader/tracker app, a Quran learning app... now that's where you enter a more sensitive area, religious beliefs are among the higher protected classes of data under GDPR. And now there's a few potential threat sources: family members snooping through their relative's phones, border control snooping through phones (remember, apostasy is a crime punishable by death in some Muslim countries), or the worst one, random ad SDKs pulling in and distributing lists of installed APKs and pushing these to the mothership, where the data can then be hoovered up by anyone willing to pay for it, with the same result [1]. I wish I didn't need to write this, but it's not just some random Middle East theocracy going for its citizens as usual for the crime of not believing into the god of choice, we're seeing people being threatened for their faith (or lack of it) right in the United States of America, right now. [1] https://theintercept.com/2025/05/22/intel-agencies-buying-data-portal-privacy/ https://theintercept.com/2025/05/22/intel-agencies-buying-da...
baobun 1y ago
Would you like to link to the reddit app or a violent FPS game not flagged as NSFW on F-droid? I don't believe either of those actually exists. And again, nothing was removed from the store here, only marked as NSFW.
- infamia 1y ago
  Gloomy Dungeons 2 is mentioned in the discussion as an FPS without the NSFW tag: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/27861#note_2817124179 https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/27861#... The NSFW tag seems unevenly enforced, especially for an organization that is supposed to oppose censorship.
  - baobun 1y ago
    That looks like an oversight that could be addressed with a PR targeting that game.
    - infamia 1y ago
      No, there are plenty of other examples (just in games alone) to write off as a mere one-off oversight. It certainly seems targeted since they've targeted religious apps that don't even have any explicit content. For an app store that is supposed to advocate for freedom this is disturbing and very off-putting. The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        > It certainly seems targeted since they've Who is "they" here? The person who opened the PR? The person who wrote the NSFW definition? The moderators correcting the mistakes? > The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship. It's not censorship, you can still install the apps to your phone. You just cannot promote them to impressionable audiences like children, or pretend it is appropriate conduct for something like the workplace. Your same logic could be used to argue that porn apps shouldn't be labelled as NSFW, or that gore and shock content is free expression. F-Droid is not (and will never be) compelled to host the tools of evangelism. You don't need F-Droid's help to reach your audience. I'm a proud F-Droid user and defend their stance wholeheartedly.
        daurentius523 1y ago
        "It's not censorship" - it is. "You just cannot promote them to impressionable audiences like children" - the fact that child has device is problem not the fact that device can access information. "or that gore and shock content is free expression." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son
- yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
  > Would you like to link to the reddit app or a violent FPS game not flagged as NSFW on F-droid? I don't believe either of those actually exists. ...all of them? (AFAICT) https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.btmura.android.reddit/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.btmura.android.reddit/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/au.com.wallaceit.reddinator/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/au.com.wallaceit.reddinator/ Actually, let's do it the other way: Can you point to a single reddit app that is marked NSFW?

It is not consistent, is the reddit app going to be removed next? It makes no sense. What about violent FPS games? Consistency would be that they in fact are removing everything that's NSFW.

mschuster91 1y ago

The consistency is that the presence of a Reddit app or a Youtube app per se doesn't reveal too much about the device owner. A Bible reader/tracker app, a Quran learning app... now that's where you enter a more sensitive area, religious beliefs are among the higher protected classes of data under GDPR. And now there's a few potential threat sources: family members snooping through their relative's phones, border control snooping through phones (remember, apostasy is a crime punishable by death in some Muslim countries), or the worst one, random ad SDKs pulling in and distributing lists of installed APKs and pushing these to the mothership, where the data can then be hoovered up by anyone willing to pay for it, with the same result [1]. I wish I didn't need to write this, but it's not just some random Middle East theocracy going for its citizens as usual for the crime of not believing into the god of choice, we're seeing people being threatened for their faith (or lack of it) right in the United States of America, right now. [1] https://theintercept.com/2025/05/22/intel-agencies-buying-data-portal-privacy/ https://theintercept.com/2025/05/22/intel-agencies-buying-da...

baobun 1y ago

Would you like to link to the reddit app or a violent FPS game not flagged as NSFW on F-droid? I don't believe either of those actually exists. And again, nothing was removed from the store here, only marked as NSFW.

infamia 1y ago
Gloomy Dungeons 2 is mentioned in the discussion as an FPS without the NSFW tag: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/27861#note_2817124179 https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/27861#... The NSFW tag seems unevenly enforced, especially for an organization that is supposed to oppose censorship.
- baobun 1y ago
  That looks like an oversight that could be addressed with a PR targeting that game.
  - infamia 1y ago
    No, there are plenty of other examples (just in games alone) to write off as a mere one-off oversight. It certainly seems targeted since they've targeted religious apps that don't even have any explicit content. For an app store that is supposed to advocate for freedom this is disturbing and very off-putting. The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      > It certainly seems targeted since they've Who is "they" here? The person who opened the PR? The person who wrote the NSFW definition? The moderators correcting the mistakes? > The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship. It's not censorship, you can still install the apps to your phone. You just cannot promote them to impressionable audiences like children, or pretend it is appropriate conduct for something like the workplace. Your same logic could be used to argue that porn apps shouldn't be labelled as NSFW, or that gore and shock content is free expression. F-Droid is not (and will never be) compelled to host the tools of evangelism. You don't need F-Droid's help to reach your audience. I'm a proud F-Droid user and defend their stance wholeheartedly.
      - daurentius523 1y ago
        "It's not censorship" - it is. "You just cannot promote them to impressionable audiences like children" - the fact that child has device is problem not the fact that device can access information. "or that gore and shock content is free expression." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son
yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
> Would you like to link to the reddit app or a violent FPS game not flagged as NSFW on F-droid? I don't believe either of those actually exists. ...all of them? (AFAICT) https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.btmura.android.reddit/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.btmura.android.reddit/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/au.com.wallaceit.reddinator/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/au.com.wallaceit.reddinator/ Actually, let's do it the other way: Can you point to a single reddit app that is marked NSFW?