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You are giving each section the most uncharitable possible interpretation. The universities are not owed anything by the federal government. If they want money,

You are giving each section the most uncharitable possible interpretation. The universities are not owed anything by the federal government. If they want money, i think it's resonable for the government to make some demands in exchange. They don't have to but it's not outrageous.

BoredPositron 1y ago
Why? It worked decades without these demands or federal oversight. The interpretation is also based on the possible outcomes. It's just facts and it's certainly not about feelings if you sign your rights and possible future as an institution away. Did you read my the last paragraph? Nobody - not a person, not a corporation, nor a government would sign shit like this.
- FridayoLeary 1y ago
  Universities are increasingly broken. Look up some of the threads here discussing that. Their self indulgent excesses have gotten worse in recent years. Conservative thought in particular is increasingly rare, so it makes sense that a very conservative administration would be asking questions about what they are paying for, and it is they who are paying in the form of taxes. You are basing your outcomes on the worst possible intentions of the administration, which i think you are wrong about because you haven't properly looked at the situation from their point of view or even objectively. I do agree however that if i was a university i wouldn't sign it without first amending 4 and 9.
  - BoredPositron 1y ago
    So it's not reasonable got it.
insane_dreamer 1y ago
> You are giving each section the most uncharitable possible interpretation. Which is exactly how this Administration will interpret it. > The universities are not owed anything by the federal government. 1. It's in the interests of US citizens -- who the gov represents -- to fund research at universities. It's a large part of what's made the US the superpower it is today. > If they want money, i think it's resonable for the government to make some demands in exchange. They don't have to but it's not outrageous. 2. You clearly haven't lived in a country where universities are controlled by the government. Spend a decade in China and we'll talk about how you feel about it then. And before you say "it isn't control!" -- it is because the entire university research system has become dependent on taxpayer funding (see also 1).

BoredPositron 1y ago

Why? It worked decades without these demands or federal oversight. The interpretation is also based on the possible outcomes. It's just facts and it's certainly not about feelings if you sign your rights and possible future as an institution away. Did you read my the last paragraph? Nobody - not a person, not a corporation, nor a government would sign shit like this.

FridayoLeary 1y ago
Universities are increasingly broken. Look up some of the threads here discussing that. Their self indulgent excesses have gotten worse in recent years. Conservative thought in particular is increasingly rare, so it makes sense that a very conservative administration would be asking questions about what they are paying for, and it is they who are paying in the form of taxes. You are basing your outcomes on the worst possible intentions of the administration, which i think you are wrong about because you haven't properly looked at the situation from their point of view or even objectively. I do agree however that if i was a university i wouldn't sign it without first amending 4 and 9.
- BoredPositron 1y ago
  So it's not reasonable got it.

insane_dreamer 1y ago

> You are giving each section the most uncharitable possible interpretation. Which is exactly how this Administration will interpret it. > The universities are not owed anything by the federal government. 1. It's in the interests of US citizens -- who the gov represents -- to fund research at universities. It's a large part of what's made the US the superpower it is today. > If they want money, i think it's resonable for the government to make some demands in exchange. They don't have to but it's not outrageous. 2. You clearly haven't lived in a country where universities are controlled by the government. Spend a decade in China and we'll talk about how you feel about it then. And before you say "it isn't control!" -- it is because the entire university research system has become dependent on taxpayer funding (see also 1).