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The Louvre is a national museum. Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working c

The Louvre is a national museum. Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working class visitors.

Waterluvian 1y ago
I agree. But not at the cost of the working class workers.
catlikesshrimp 1y ago
I don't know about the Louvre, but national amenities usual charge more to tourists. You can rise tourist fares as much as needed. They aren't poor nationals, and it's their number which is causing problems.
- littlestymaar 1y ago
  I'm not sure they can legally charge more for other European citizens than French citizens though.
- zvr 1y ago
  You cannot have any different pricing for all EU nationals.
Archelaos 1y ago
From the Web-site of the Louvre: Admission is free for the following visitors: Under 18s Proof of ID required. Under 26 year-old residents of the European Economic Area (EU, Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein) Proof of ID and residency required. All visitors On the first Friday of the month after 6 p.m. (except in July and August) (Source: https://www.louvre.fr/en/visit/hours-admission https://www.louvre.fr/en/visit/hours-admission)
- linschn 1y ago
  Don't forget teachers, and unemployed people. This is true for every national muséum in France and it is awesome !
datadrivenangel 1y ago
Just do the classic developing country thing and charge non-french people significantly more. 2x the price if you live outside paris, 5x the price if you live outside of France, and 20x the price if you live outside the EU.
- orra 1y ago
  Charging EU citizens more than French citizens would be illegal discrimination under EU law. (It might be legal to charge local Parisians less.) For example see https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/12/ec-demands-end-to-portugals-discriminatory-rule-on-museum-entry/ https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/12/ec-demands-end-to-portugal...
  - netsharc 1y ago
    I wonder if the Paris city hall can do a rebate program of "Dear Paris residents, mail in your ticket stub and we'll give you a partial refund" - this is a first draft of an idea, it's flawed because it would lead to opportunistic Parisians asking tourists for their ticket stubs, and then telling the city hall that they visited the Louvre 30 times last month.
    - throw_a_grenade 1y ago
      No, they can't, EU courts would strike that in a heartbeat. Some time ago Germans tried to tax foreign drivers on their roads, so they introduced toll, nominally for all, but also lowered the same amount another car-related tax that was paid only by Germans. EU bodies saw through the scheme just fine and now they're on hook for returning the toll money to anyone still keeping the invoice/receipt.
      - nothercastle 1y ago
        Seems worthwhile, nobody will actually keep the receipt
        1y ago
Theodores 1y ago
The UK's Natural History Museum is quite instructive. No staff anywhere apart from where money gets taken for food and souvenirs. Free entry to hordes and hordes of children with parents and grandparents in tow. So how do they manage it? There is ticket booking, which is done in advance or else there is a queue. Once in, you are just following the same walk as everyone else to see the dinosaurs - what else?!? After the dinosaurs have been seen people can tire themselves out seeing some of the rest of the museum, but most don't see a lot else and head for the gift shop before going home. At the Louvre they have the slight problem that the hordes are there to see that one painting, the one that isn't exactly massive. Everyone knows exactly what it looks like before taking the pilgrimage. Really they should just get rid of it and put it in on a regional tour indefinitely, so as to share the tourist money elsewhere.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working class visitors Do both. Lottery tickets the day of. Advance-rate tickets at a premium price. Mix and match with a non-EU premium for both.

The Louvre is a national museum. Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working class visitors.

Waterluvian 1y ago

I agree. But not at the cost of the working class workers.

catlikesshrimp 1y ago

I don't know about the Louvre, but national amenities usual charge more to tourists. You can rise tourist fares as much as needed. They aren't poor nationals, and it's their number which is causing problems.

littlestymaar 1y ago
I'm not sure they can legally charge more for other European citizens than French citizens though.
zvr 1y ago
You cannot have any different pricing for all EU nationals.

Archelaos 1y ago

From the Web-site of the Louvre: Admission is free for the following visitors: Under 18s Proof of ID required. Under 26 year-old residents of the European Economic Area (EU, Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein) Proof of ID and residency required. All visitors On the first Friday of the month after 6 p.m. (except in July and August) (Source: https://www.louvre.fr/en/visit/hours-admission https://www.louvre.fr/en/visit/hours-admission)

linschn 1y ago
Don't forget teachers, and unemployed people. This is true for every national muséum in France and it is awesome !

datadrivenangel 1y ago

Just do the classic developing country thing and charge non-french people significantly more. 2x the price if you live outside paris, 5x the price if you live outside of France, and 20x the price if you live outside the EU.

orra 1y ago
Charging EU citizens more than French citizens would be illegal discrimination under EU law. (It might be legal to charge local Parisians less.) For example see https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/12/ec-demands-end-to-portugals-discriminatory-rule-on-museum-entry/ https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/12/ec-demands-end-to-portugal...
- netsharc 1y ago
  I wonder if the Paris city hall can do a rebate program of "Dear Paris residents, mail in your ticket stub and we'll give you a partial refund" - this is a first draft of an idea, it's flawed because it would lead to opportunistic Parisians asking tourists for their ticket stubs, and then telling the city hall that they visited the Louvre 30 times last month.
  - throw_a_grenade 1y ago
    No, they can't, EU courts would strike that in a heartbeat. Some time ago Germans tried to tax foreign drivers on their roads, so they introduced toll, nominally for all, but also lowered the same amount another car-related tax that was paid only by Germans. EU bodies saw through the scheme just fine and now they're on hook for returning the toll money to anyone still keeping the invoice/receipt.
    - nothercastle 1y ago
      Seems worthwhile, nobody will actually keep the receipt
      - 1y ago

Theodores 1y ago

The UK's Natural History Museum is quite instructive. No staff anywhere apart from where money gets taken for food and souvenirs. Free entry to hordes and hordes of children with parents and grandparents in tow. So how do they manage it? There is ticket booking, which is done in advance or else there is a queue. Once in, you are just following the same walk as everyone else to see the dinosaurs - what else?!? After the dinosaurs have been seen people can tire themselves out seeing some of the rest of the museum, but most don't see a lot else and head for the gift shop before going home. At the Louvre they have the slight problem that the hordes are there to see that one painting, the one that isn't exactly massive. Everyone knows exactly what it looks like before taking the pilgrimage. Really they should just get rid of it and put it in on a regional tour indefinitely, so as to share the tourist money elsewhere.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working class visitors Do both. Lottery tickets the day of. Advance-rate tickets at a premium price. Mix and match with a non-EU premium for both.