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Steve Crocker hired me as a junior coder when I was a freshman at UCLA, Charley Kline who made the first ARPANET remote login (to SRI) mentioned in the article
by jibal 1y ago
Steve Crocker hired me as a junior coder when I was a freshman at UCLA, Charley Kline who made the first ARPANET remote login (to SRI) mentioned in the article was my supervisor, Vint Cerf (aka "godfather of the Internet" and co-inventor of the TCP/IP protocols) was a cow orker, and Jon Postel (aka "god of the Internet" -- it's downright criminal that the article doesn't mention him as the RFC editor--RFCs would not have been successful without him) shared a cubicle wall with me. I managed to get a mention in RFC 57. Those were the days.
P.S.
"The goal was to create a reliable, distributed communication system that could continue operating even if parts of it were damaged by a nuclear attack."
This is a myth. The ARPANET was not hardened; quite the opposite. ARPA's goal was for their researchers located across the country to easily share their work ... initially it was just used to share papers, before Ray Tomlinson invented email. Beyond that, JCR Licklider who laid the conceptual foundations was looking toward something along the lines of today's Internet + AI:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%E2%80%93Computer_Symbiosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%E2%80%93Computer_Symbiosis
P.P.S. Steve Crocker's MIT PhD thesis was on man-machine symbiosis. I know this because he mentioned it to me when I met him in the UCLA Computer Club which he came to because he wanted to teach an informal class on LISP and Theorem Proving, and the club organized such classes. We got to talking about his thesis, he posed some challenges to me that I got lucky in solving, and he immediately offered me a job (he was the head of the ARPANET project at UCLA, under Leonard Kleinrock) that shaped the rest of my life--I'm greatly indebted to him.
Y.A.P.S. Steve Crocker received the Jonathan B. Postel Award (created by Vint Cerf) last year.
- ackreq 1y agoYou must have some amazing stories from back then! I’d love to read them if you ever feel like writing about it. Thanks for reading my post. If you notice any incorrect information, please let me know anytime and I’ll update it
- jibal 1y agoPlease please please mention that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel (aka "god of the Internet") was the RFC editor--he did a huge amount of work to make it a success. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET "The ARPANET was not started to create a Command and Control System that would survive a nuclear attack, as many now claim. To build such a system was, clearly, a major military need, but it was not ARPA's mission to do this; in fact, we would have been severely criticized had we tried. Rather, the ARPANET came out of our frustration that there were only a limited number of large, powerful research computers in the country, and that many research investigators, who should have access to them, were geographically separated from them."
- ackreq 1y agoThanks a lot for sharing these informations. I’ll update the post accordingly within 24 hours after I’ve read them.
- jibal 1y agoYou might want to read https://www.google.com/books/edition/Where_Wizards_Stay_Up_Late/RLKxSvCBQZcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.com/books/edition/Where_Wizards_Stay_Up_L...
- ackreq 1y agoSure thing, I will. Thanks again for your previous comments. I’ll do my best to include them in the post.
- jibal 1y agoAlso see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2441 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2441 "One can also read that Jon was the editor of the RFC, and may think that Jon checked only the grammar or the format of the RFCs. Nothing could be further from the truth, not that he did not check it, but in addition, being the corporate memory, Jon had indicated many times to authors that earlier work had treated the same subject, and that their work would be improved by learning about that earlier work." ... " Our foundation and infrastructure of standards was the secret weapon that won the war. Jon created it, using the RFC mechanism initiated by Steve Crocker. It was Jon who immediately realized their importance, and the need for someone to act as the curator, and volunteered. The lightning speed with which Microsoft joined the Internet was not possible without the quality of the existing standards that were so well documented. During the transition from ARPA, through the NSF, to the commercial world there was a point in which the trivial funding required for the smooth operation of editing and distributing the RFCs was in doubt. At that time the prospect of not having funds to run this operation was very real. Finally the problem was solved and the process suffered no interruption. What most of the involved agencies and managers did not know is that there was never a danger of any interruption. Jon would have done it even with no external funding. If they did not pay him to do it, he would have paid them to let him do it. For him it was not a job, it was labor of love." " When fancy formatting creeped into the Internet community, Jon resisted the temptation to allow fancy formats for RFCs. Instead, he insisted on them being in ASCII, easy to e-mail, guaranteed to be readable anywhere in the world. The instant availability and usability of RFCs was much more important to him than how fancy they looked."
- soneil 1y agoMy understanding is that the "nugget of truth" that birthed the "routing around nuclear attack" myth, is that it was a consideration in Paul Baran's packet-switching work at RAND. So it wasn't a design consideration for ARPANET, but it would have shown up in enough early papers to give the myth some legs.