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>Keep in mind Xubuntu is mostly a community effort, not a large corporation with seniors who know how to handle this "best". which is why the whole distro zoo

>Keep in mind Xubuntu is mostly a community effort, not a large corporation with seniors who know how to handle this "best". which is why the whole distro zoo and "stick it to the man" theatre has always been a nightmare. Running some barely maintained operating system that is an nth-degree spin-off is like buying a pacemaker from craigslist. The people who go "I don't trust Canonical/Google" and then go download some binary blob browser fork/OS uploaded by an anonymous guy from the internet is way too large.

pessimizer 1y ago
> which is why the whole distro zoo and "stick it to the man" theatre has always been a nightmare. The real obnoxiousness is that Ubuntu doesn't keep these desktop and otherwise specialized variants partially in-house like they once did. It isn't like they don't have the money or the staff. It's just not part of their world takeover plan anymore; no deviation allowed. Just get away from Ubuntu, install Debian, and choose XFCE when installing. Please.
- aborsy 1y ago
  On the other hand, there are far few developers working on XFCE compared to desktop environments like KDE or gnome. The more obscure places might be better places to hide malware, nobody would notice, unlike in XUbuntu.
- toyg 1y ago
  > It's just not part of their world takeover plan anymore That's because they don't have a world takeover plan anymore. That plan failed, so they came up with other ones (mobile! Subscriptions!) and those failed too - so now they're just trying to survive. I honestly prefer for Ubuntu to be just another Linux player doing what most Linux players do (i.e. looking after n.1 and focusing on internal consistency), rather than their original borg-like form that tried to co-opt the entire ecosystem. As much as I enjoy a reliable Debian-like infrastructure everywhere, there is value in the fundamental diversity of distros focused on different ways to "do Linux".
waynesonfire 1y ago
Yeah totally. Hey we got hacked but we're just couple guys donating our time.. put that on your homepage.
Vinnl 1y ago
That problem runs far beyond distros, of course. Enter relevant xkcd.
- Vinnl 1y ago
  (This one, for today's lucky 10 000: https://xkcd.com/2347/ https://xkcd.com/2347/)
autoexec 1y ago
> Running some barely maintained operating system that is an nth-degree spin-off is like buying a pacemaker from craigslist. If my options are between a barely maintained linux operating system which might compromise my data and a barely maintained windows operating system that is designed to compromise my data I'll take my chances with linux. At this point no one can be assured of their safety and all anyone can do is choose the lesser evil and hope for the best.
- oblio 1y ago
  It's a stretch to call Windows a "barely maintained operating systems". Windows probably has more paid contributors to the Start menu than Ubuntu has total employees. The Windows software is generally rock solid, if frequently spammy (which an advanced Windows user can mostly fix in 30 minutes, especially in Europe).
  - autoexec 1y ago
    Not a great day to try to argue how well maintained and "rock solid" windows is considering the issues it's having (see https://www.techpowerup.com/342032/windows-11-25h2-october-update-bug-renders-recovery-environment-unusable https://www.techpowerup.com/342032/windows-11-25h2-october-u...) not to mention all the other updates that've caused data loss or broken things and that's just windows 11! Just paying a bunch of people to push out updates isn't enough for a well maintained OS.
  - robinsonb5 1y ago
    > The Windows software is generally rock solid You're saying this literally a few days after Microsoft pushed out a Win11 update that broke localhost.
    - oblio 1y ago
      I've used both Windows and Linux for 20+ years and I can count the major issues I've had with both on one hand. Yes, sometimes they both botch QA but you can also live with both without major issues. Oh, and that update - fairly sure it was optional. The usual lesson applies, never install version 1.0. Install 1.0.5 or even better, 1.1.1.
1718627440 1y ago
And yet that "binary blob browser fork/OS uploaded by an anonymous guy from the internet" is still more respectful to my privacy, than the average large proprietary OS. Guess which one I will be using?

pessimizer 1y ago

> which is why the whole distro zoo and "stick it to the man" theatre has always been a nightmare. The real obnoxiousness is that Ubuntu doesn't keep these desktop and otherwise specialized variants partially in-house like they once did. It isn't like they don't have the money or the staff. It's just not part of their world takeover plan anymore; no deviation allowed. Just get away from Ubuntu, install Debian, and choose XFCE when installing. Please.

aborsy 1y ago
On the other hand, there are far few developers working on XFCE compared to desktop environments like KDE or gnome. The more obscure places might be better places to hide malware, nobody would notice, unlike in XUbuntu.
toyg 1y ago
> It's just not part of their world takeover plan anymore That's because they don't have a world takeover plan anymore. That plan failed, so they came up with other ones (mobile! Subscriptions!) and those failed too - so now they're just trying to survive. I honestly prefer for Ubuntu to be just another Linux player doing what most Linux players do (i.e. looking after n.1 and focusing on internal consistency), rather than their original borg-like form that tried to co-opt the entire ecosystem. As much as I enjoy a reliable Debian-like infrastructure everywhere, there is value in the fundamental diversity of distros focused on different ways to "do Linux".

waynesonfire 1y ago

Yeah totally. Hey we got hacked but we're just couple guys donating our time.. put that on your homepage.

Vinnl 1y ago

That problem runs far beyond distros, of course. Enter relevant xkcd.

Vinnl 1y ago
(This one, for today's lucky 10 000: https://xkcd.com/2347/ https://xkcd.com/2347/)

autoexec 1y ago

> Running some barely maintained operating system that is an nth-degree spin-off is like buying a pacemaker from craigslist. If my options are between a barely maintained linux operating system which might compromise my data and a barely maintained windows operating system that is designed to compromise my data I'll take my chances with linux. At this point no one can be assured of their safety and all anyone can do is choose the lesser evil and hope for the best.

oblio 1y ago
It's a stretch to call Windows a "barely maintained operating systems". Windows probably has more paid contributors to the Start menu than Ubuntu has total employees. The Windows software is generally rock solid, if frequently spammy (which an advanced Windows user can mostly fix in 30 minutes, especially in Europe).
- autoexec 1y ago
  Not a great day to try to argue how well maintained and "rock solid" windows is considering the issues it's having (see https://www.techpowerup.com/342032/windows-11-25h2-october-update-bug-renders-recovery-environment-unusable https://www.techpowerup.com/342032/windows-11-25h2-october-u...) not to mention all the other updates that've caused data loss or broken things and that's just windows 11! Just paying a bunch of people to push out updates isn't enough for a well maintained OS.
- robinsonb5 1y ago
  > The Windows software is generally rock solid You're saying this literally a few days after Microsoft pushed out a Win11 update that broke localhost.
  - oblio 1y ago
    I've used both Windows and Linux for 20+ years and I can count the major issues I've had with both on one hand. Yes, sometimes they both botch QA but you can also live with both without major issues. Oh, and that update - fairly sure it was optional. The usual lesson applies, never install version 1.0. Install 1.0.5 or even better, 1.1.1.

1718627440 1y ago

And yet that "binary blob browser fork/OS uploaded by an anonymous guy from the internet" is still more respectful to my privacy, than the average large proprietary OS. Guess which one I will be using?