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>wanting to smash the machines that made them lose their job. Wondering how long before people start setting datacenters on fire.

andriesm 1y ago
I find it hard to locate my sympathy button for people who smash and burn things built up by other people.
- saulpw 1y ago
  Datacenters aren't built by people, they're built by corporations.
  - einsteinx2 1y ago
    Corporations which are entirely made up of people. Not to mention the people that physically built and maintain the data center. Or did the actual legal fiction of a corporation do it? Maybe the articles of incorporation documents got up and did the work themselves?
    - saulpw 1y ago
      It means that no one cares about the creations except in terms of money. If an Oracle building burns down and no one is hurt, I wouldn't shed a single tear. If an artistic graffiti mural adorned its wall, I would be more upset.
      - einsteinx2 1y ago
        I get what you mean, but my point is even that Oracle building was designed, built, and maintained by the work of real people. Many of which I assume take pride in their work and may in fact care if it’s burned down.
        joe_fishfish 1y ago
        But why should they? An Oracle data centre is built for one purpose, and one purpose only - to increase the wealth and power of Larry Ellison. Is furthering that goal really something to be proud of? As a wiser man than me once said, do not anthropomorphise the lawnmower.
- bee_rider 1y ago
  The act of destruction is not inherently evil, it is a matter of what it targets. You can burn down the Library of Alexandria or you can bust open a concentration camp. (These are just some extreme examples, some datacenter isn’t morally equal to either).
wongarsu 1y ago
And how well those attempts fare. Data centers aren't exactly fortified, but they have a lot of focus on access control and redundancy, and usually have good fire suppression (except OVH apparently). Maybe ChatGPT has some ideas on how to best attack data centers /s
- GreenWatermelon 1y ago
  Yesterday AWS had a Little oppsie that brought down half of western businesses. I don't have confidence in that redundancy.
grafmax 1y ago
Hey maybe the problem isn’t the means of production (the data centers), but the mode of production.. capitalism.

andriesm 1y ago

I find it hard to locate my sympathy button for people who smash and burn things built up by other people.

saulpw 1y ago
Datacenters aren't built by people, they're built by corporations.
- einsteinx2 1y ago
  Corporations which are entirely made up of people. Not to mention the people that physically built and maintain the data center. Or did the actual legal fiction of a corporation do it? Maybe the articles of incorporation documents got up and did the work themselves?
  - saulpw 1y ago
    It means that no one cares about the creations except in terms of money. If an Oracle building burns down and no one is hurt, I wouldn't shed a single tear. If an artistic graffiti mural adorned its wall, I would be more upset.
    - einsteinx2 1y ago
      I get what you mean, but my point is even that Oracle building was designed, built, and maintained by the work of real people. Many of which I assume take pride in their work and may in fact care if it’s burned down.
      - joe_fishfish 1y ago
        But why should they? An Oracle data centre is built for one purpose, and one purpose only - to increase the wealth and power of Larry Ellison. Is furthering that goal really something to be proud of? As a wiser man than me once said, do not anthropomorphise the lawnmower.
bee_rider 1y ago
The act of destruction is not inherently evil, it is a matter of what it targets. You can burn down the Library of Alexandria or you can bust open a concentration camp. (These are just some extreme examples, some datacenter isn’t morally equal to either).

wongarsu 1y ago

And how well those attempts fare. Data centers aren't exactly fortified, but they have a lot of focus on access control and redundancy, and usually have good fire suppression (except OVH apparently). Maybe ChatGPT has some ideas on how to best attack data centers /s

GreenWatermelon 1y ago
Yesterday AWS had a Little oppsie that brought down half of western businesses. I don't have confidence in that redundancy.

grafmax 1y ago

Hey maybe the problem isn’t the means of production (the data centers), but the mode of production.. capitalism.