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Bailey claims two things: 1. Negative impact for foreseeable future. 2. That he has always been carefully neutral, and is suddenly being forced to give his op
by mike_hearn 1y ago
Bailey claims two things:
1. Negative impact for foreseeable future.
2. That he has always been carefully neutral, and is suddenly being forced to give his opinion.
If you look at the actual data, which everyone should, it doesn't support claims like these and never has. There is no visible impact of Brexit on the economic figures. UK GDP growth hasn't departed from the other big countries in western Europe, the lines move in sync as they always did:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-worldbank-constant-usd?tab=line&country=FRA~DEU~GBR https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-worldbank-constant-us...
You can see COVID, and the 2008 crash, but you can't see Brexit. The same happens if you look more directly at the trade figures, which does show a negative impact for about a month or two just after the new trading rules were implemented, but then immediately goes back to where it was after people figured out the new system. In most graphs you can't even see this transition period unless you zoom in, that's how short it was, and so there's just no impact on economic growth. So it turns out that single market membership had no benefit to the British economy, which is mostly services based and the single market only really tries to standardize trade in goods.
This was not predicted by anyone in the media/economics profession. Academics, British government, central bankers, journalists, IMF, EU ... all of them got this dead wrong. None of them have any credibility left on the matter, yet they never show contrition. Only a handful of Brexit campaigners did correctly predict it and they get given no credit. Paul Krugman made all the usual wrong predictions before the vote, but to his minor credit did admit immediately afterwards that economists were engaged in "motivated reasoning" (i.e. lying).
This is a specific example of a more general problem with the British establishment: they are willing to abuse legacy respect for institutions in order to advance their personal agendas, especially on Europe. Bailey really loves this line about how he has never taken a position. He uses it all the time. That's a good example of the kind of lying civil servants have often engaged in, this pretending to be neutral whilst actually being very biased. In reality he has criticized Brexit in the past, always with the same line about how he never takes a stance whilst simultaneously doing so.
Here he is doing it in May:
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/speech/2025/may/andrew-bailey-speech-followed-by-fireside-chat-with-francine-lacqua-bloomberg?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/speech/2025/may/andrew-baile...
And in November 2024, where he "takes no position" but simultaneously "urges ministers to rebuild relations with the EU".
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/14/bank-of-england-governor-urges-ministers-to-rebuild-relations-with-eu https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/14/bank-of-eng...
He wants to be seen as neutral whilst making claims about economics that he must know aren't true. But he's a BoE lifer and like many civil servants struggles to handle cases when reality departs from academic modeling predictions. Model says leaving EU should have a negative economic impact, no such impact is visible, model must therefore be correct. Nobody should listen to him.
- youngtaff 1y ago> If you look at the actual data, which everyone should, it doesn't support claims like these and never has. There is no visible impact of Brexit on the economic figures. That isn’t true… Goldman Sachs and others have stated Brexit has shrunk the UK economy by 5% https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/sunlit-uplands-latest-brexit-shrinks-uk-economy-by-5-with-worst-still-to-come-368586/ https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economi... And there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence of many small producers suffering as they can no longer afford to export to Europe
- mike_hearn 1y agoYes it is true. Once again, look at the data. Where is this 5% shrink? Do not listen to discredited people who have an axe to grind. Every single claim that Brexit affected the British economy turns out to be false when checked. The Goldman Sachs claim is no different. It's full of flatly untrue statements about public data, rather incredibly. They say: "The UK has significantly underperformed other advanced economies since the 2016 EU referendum" Actual data: UK growth has tracked that of France and Germany. So which "other advanced economies" are they comparing against? The answer is we don't know because their paper compared the UK against synthetic countries that don't exist and they didn't reveal their method. If you want to see the effects of leaving the EU, you need to look at trends and compare against other (western) EU countries. Not a secret list of fictional countries that appear to be the result of playing games with the data until it fits what the author wanted. They also say "UK goods trade has ‘declined significantly’ and has ‘underperformed other advanced economies by roughly 15%’ since the referendum." Goods trade is down 2% since 2016 which is not "significant", as the UK is specialized in services. Trade in general has grown strongly. Measured annually, using Chained Volume Measures (CVM) total UK trade was 11% higher in 2023 than in 2016. Trade with EU vs ROW continued on its long term trend, also unaffected by Brexit. Their paper is just wrong in so many ways. There's a more detailed writeup here: https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/goldman-sachs-wrong-on-brexit/ https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/goldman-sachs-wrong-on... HN tends to have a lot of trouble with this idea that the institutions are all systematically lying about this issue because of what it says about our society, credentialing and so on. But the data is public. You just have to look it up instead of trusting "experts".