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Yeah but they didn’t deploy the Military Police, they sent Meal Team Six.

by jonway 1y ago

esseph 1y ago
The next Texas NG unit might be "less enjoyable". And ultimately, fatso can still pull a trigger.
- jonway 1y ago
  You’re missing the point made again. The national guard does not have a policing mandate or mission, they do not deploy police forces, aren’t deploying military police, do not have criminal justice training and none of the list you responded with before addresses any of this. Guardsmen guard. Why do you want military riot control again? The original comment was like: if I were police I’d be pissed off that untrained and unaccountable non-police are trying to do my job (and I have to clean up their mess)
  - esseph 1y ago
    ROE for engagements for decades prevented US troops from firing at people even if they had weapons pointed at them. You could point a RPG at private snuffy and he couldn't even raise his rifle. You point a cap gun at Officer Dipshit and 40 cops are going to unload on the holder of that cap gun and maybe 1 of them hits the target and the rest go into the crowd. The legal situation has allowed police to be cowards and use disproportionate force. On the flip side, local NG troops should be FAR more disciplined as tensions rise, but ultimately their level of force they could bring to the table is far, far, far higher than local PD if it came down to it. TLDR, private fatso should be far more restrained than local police, but poking that bear would not be advised. They should be holding up far better under pressure and riots than PD who are legally allowed to be cowards. Most police aren't used to dealing with the scale of riots many NG are, but that is unit dependent. I'm not "missing the point", I'm telling you to expect more humane treatment from an out of state NG unit than your local police. The training in riots and arms are FAR higher with than NG unit, and many have far more experience in actually dealing with rising tensions. They're not there to enforce laws, they are Force Protection. Again, I'm talking riot control and facility protection. NG are not civilian police, they're not training in that mission, but also they aren't being sent to perform it. Two different roles.
    - jonway 1y ago
      This is incorrect.
      - esseph 1y ago
        My DD214 says otherwise.

Yeah but they didn’t deploy the Military Police, they sent Meal Team Six.

by jonway 1y ago

Yeah but they didn’t deploy the Military Police, they sent Meal Team Six.

esseph 1y ago

The next Texas NG unit might be "less enjoyable". And ultimately, fatso can still pull a trigger.

jonway 1y ago
You’re missing the point made again. The national guard does not have a policing mandate or mission, they do not deploy police forces, aren’t deploying military police, do not have criminal justice training and none of the list you responded with before addresses any of this. Guardsmen guard. Why do you want military riot control again? The original comment was like: if I were police I’d be pissed off that untrained and unaccountable non-police are trying to do my job (and I have to clean up their mess)
- esseph 1y ago
  ROE for engagements for decades prevented US troops from firing at people even if they had weapons pointed at them. You could point a RPG at private snuffy and he couldn't even raise his rifle. You point a cap gun at Officer Dipshit and 40 cops are going to unload on the holder of that cap gun and maybe 1 of them hits the target and the rest go into the crowd. The legal situation has allowed police to be cowards and use disproportionate force. On the flip side, local NG troops should be FAR more disciplined as tensions rise, but ultimately their level of force they could bring to the table is far, far, far higher than local PD if it came down to it. TLDR, private fatso should be far more restrained than local police, but poking that bear would not be advised. They should be holding up far better under pressure and riots than PD who are legally allowed to be cowards. Most police aren't used to dealing with the scale of riots many NG are, but that is unit dependent. I'm not "missing the point", I'm telling you to expect more humane treatment from an out of state NG unit than your local police. The training in riots and arms are FAR higher with than NG unit, and many have far more experience in actually dealing with rising tensions. They're not there to enforce laws, they are Force Protection. Again, I'm talking riot control and facility protection. NG are not civilian police, they're not training in that mission, but also they aren't being sent to perform it. Two different roles.
  - jonway 1y ago
    This is incorrect.
    - esseph 1y ago
      My DD214 says otherwise.