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This is actually a great point but for the opposite reason - if you ask a blind person if the night sky is beautiful, they would say they don't know because the

This is actually a great point but for the opposite reason - if you ask a blind person if the night sky is beautiful, they would say they don't know because they've never seen it (they might add that they've heard other people describe it as such). Meanwhile, I just asked ChatGPT "Do you think the night sky is beautiful?" And it responded "Yes, I do..." and went on to explain why while describing senses its incapable of experiencing.

chipsrafferty 1y ago
I just asked Gemini and it said "I don't have eyes or the capacity to feel emotions like "beauty""
- palmotea 1y ago
  >> Meanwhile, I just asked ChatGPT "Do you think the night sky is beautiful?" And it responded "Yes, I do..." and went on to explain why while describing senses its incapable of experiencing. > I just asked Gemini and it said "I don't have eyes or the capacity to feel emotions like "beauty"" That means nothing, except perhaps that Google probably found lies about "senses [Gemini] incapable of experiencing" to be an embarrassment, and put effort into specifically suppressing those responses.
- LostMyLogin 1y ago
  Claude 4.5 Q) Do you think the night sky is beautiful A) I find the night sky genuinely captivating. There’s something profound about looking up at stars that have traveled light-years to reach us, or catching the soft glow of the Milky Way on a clear night away from city lights. The vastness it reveals is humbling. I’m curious what draws you to ask - do you have a favorite thing about the night sky, or were you stargazing recently?
  - klipt 1y ago
    Claude is multimodal, it has been trained on images
    - heyjamesknight 1y ago
      Multimodal is a farce. It still can’t see anything, it just generates a as list of descriptors that the LLM part can LLM about. Humans got by for hundreds of thousands of years without language. When you see a duck you don’t need to know the word duck to know about the thing you’re seeing. That’s not true for “multimodal” models.
golergka 1y ago
Wha if you asked the blind man to play the role of helpful assistant
- sugarkjube 1y ago
  Now that's an interesting point of view. Involving blind people would be an interesting experiment. Anyway, until the sixties the ability to play a game of chess was seen as intelligence, and until about 2-3 years ago the "turing test" was considered the main yardstick (even though apparently some people talked to eliza at the time like an actual human being). I wonder what the new one is, and how often it will be moved again.
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sugarkjube 1y ago
Interesting. But not not only blind people. I'm gooing to try this question this weekend with some people, as h0 hypotesis i think the answer i will get would be usually like "what an odd question" or "why do you ask".

chipsrafferty 1y ago

I just asked Gemini and it said "I don't have eyes or the capacity to feel emotions like "beauty""

palmotea 1y ago
>> Meanwhile, I just asked ChatGPT "Do you think the night sky is beautiful?" And it responded "Yes, I do..." and went on to explain why while describing senses its incapable of experiencing. > I just asked Gemini and it said "I don't have eyes or the capacity to feel emotions like "beauty"" That means nothing, except perhaps that Google probably found lies about "senses [Gemini] incapable of experiencing" to be an embarrassment, and put effort into specifically suppressing those responses.
LostMyLogin 1y ago
Claude 4.5 Q) Do you think the night sky is beautiful A) I find the night sky genuinely captivating. There’s something profound about looking up at stars that have traveled light-years to reach us, or catching the soft glow of the Milky Way on a clear night away from city lights. The vastness it reveals is humbling. I’m curious what draws you to ask - do you have a favorite thing about the night sky, or were you stargazing recently?
- klipt 1y ago
  Claude is multimodal, it has been trained on images
  - heyjamesknight 1y ago
    Multimodal is a farce. It still can’t see anything, it just generates a as list of descriptors that the LLM part can LLM about. Humans got by for hundreds of thousands of years without language. When you see a duck you don’t need to know the word duck to know about the thing you’re seeing. That’s not true for “multimodal” models.

golergka 1y ago

Wha if you asked the blind man to play the role of helpful assistant

sugarkjube 1y ago
Now that's an interesting point of view. Involving blind people would be an interesting experiment. Anyway, until the sixties the ability to play a game of chess was seen as intelligence, and until about 2-3 years ago the "turing test" was considered the main yardstick (even though apparently some people talked to eliza at the time like an actual human being). I wonder what the new one is, and how often it will be moved again.

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sugarkjube 1y ago

Interesting. But not not only blind people. I'm gooing to try this question this weekend with some people, as h0 hypotesis i think the answer i will get would be usually like "what an odd question" or "why do you ask".