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Is this really the dynamic that is driving so many "captains of industry" to throw in their lot with the fascists? Just some time at the trough of government mo

Is this really the dynamic that is driving so many "captains of industry" to throw in their lot with the fascists? Just some time at the trough of government money? Not even into their own pockets, but to prop up the balance sheets of their companies? Is that how little ideals mean to these people? "Good times create weak men", indeed.

bmitc 1y ago
> Is that how little ideals mean to these people? Yes. Capitalism is destroying the U.S. along with unbridled propaganda, which is only enhanced by capitalism.
givemeethekeys 1y ago
The writing is on the wall. The opposition does not have any viable candidates, so it'll be 7 more years of Republican rule. What would you do if you were a large capitalist mega-corp? You wouldn't have much of a choice here.
- mindslight 1y ago
  It didn't last 8 years last time, and Covid was one hell of an excuse. I'm not saying that the Democrats have a backbone for passing the type of opinionated legislation needed to repair most of the damage, but the clock is also ticking on how long overt fascism keeps hold appeal for its easy answer of might makes right and performative cruelty. Twenty years after the Iraq War and you won't find many people still thinking supporting that was the right side of history.
  - mandeepj 1y ago
    > Covid was one hell of an excuse Inflation was another hell of an excuse this time. So no one party can continue with their 8-year spell.
- mandeepj 1y ago
  > so it'll be 7 more years of Republican rule. I don't think repubs will be able to cross the midterms barrier! 7 years is just too far out. As sexist as it sounds, any male presidential democratic candidate would easily beat anyone from the other side in 2028, including the tanned guy.
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    This really depends, doesn't it? A GOO billionaire now owns the largest voting machine network; the GOP has a case in front of SCOTUS asking if they can intentionally racially segregate voting districts; Trump is deploying the military against US citizens with made-up cause while building an unaccountable secret police that require no warrants or habeus corpus. If any of those are "fruitful" so-to-speak, Democrats may never have power again. Remember, Donald Trump has tried: 1. A lightweight coup on J6 through supporters, but also by attempting to have secret service whisk away the VP before ratification of the election results. 2. To demand election officials "find" votes in Georgie. 3. Habitually denying the results of the election, including ones he won. 4. Claiming constitutional limits can be subverted by technicalities to allow lifelong rule with plenary authority (unitary executive + vice president handoff). Now his head of the Department of Justice is outright stating that the majority of Democrats are criminals, Hamas terrorists, or illegal immigrants without evidence or even meaningful pushback. Which sounds an awful lot like what you say before using your gestapo to prevent them from winning elections...
- ed 1y ago
  You’re playing apologist. Obviously, Benioff could have a set of actual, authentic values. Sadly he seems to point whichever way the wind is blowing.
  - givemeethekeys 1y ago
    Trying to see the world from someone else's perspective is not the same thing as apologizing on their behalf.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > opposition does not have any viable candidates 2028 is 2 years away. In 2006, Obama was a U.S. Senator with less than 10% national name recogition [1]. In 2014, Trump was--at best--a political commentator. Election cycles are getting longer. But social media also rewards meteoric rises that eclipse public vetting. [1] https://www.npr.org/2007/09/19/14502364/obamas-loss-may-have-aided-white-house-bid https://www.npr.org/2007/09/19/14502364/obamas-loss-may-have...
- platevoltage 1y ago
  I certainly wouldn’t “pitch” an idea about how to help further oppress the population of my country unless maybe, I agreed with the oppression and wanted to help. This is far from a Tim Cook “thank you for your leadership, here’s a nice plaque, can you not destroy us with tariffs plz” moment. This is a guy who called for having the military police SF.
nine_zeros 1y ago
> Not even into their own pockets, but to prop up the balance sheets of their companies? Capitalism's biggest moat - a monopoly on the taxpayer teat. This monopoly is best enabled by corrupt government officials who are willing to trade the teat for political gains.
billy99k 1y ago
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- mindslight 1y ago
  Holy loaded question, Batman! For what it's worth, yes I have also characterized that mingling of corpo and bureaucratic government power as fascism. But I wasn't surprised by the upper class's embrace of bureaucratic authoritarianism, as it provided the stable foundation upon which they were able to thrive. Autocratic authoritarianism is right on target of the original definition of that word "fascism" though, rather than having to stretch a bit. And with autocratic authoritarianism, red in tooth and claw, now running our society into the ground, I'm certainly not going to wax nihilistically about "both sides". Do you know what the Trump regime calls its equivalent of The Twitter Files? A Tuesday.
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bmitc 1y ago

> Is that how little ideals mean to these people? Yes. Capitalism is destroying the U.S. along with unbridled propaganda, which is only enhanced by capitalism.

givemeethekeys 1y ago

The writing is on the wall. The opposition does not have any viable candidates, so it'll be 7 more years of Republican rule. What would you do if you were a large capitalist mega-corp? You wouldn't have much of a choice here.

mindslight 1y ago
It didn't last 8 years last time, and Covid was one hell of an excuse. I'm not saying that the Democrats have a backbone for passing the type of opinionated legislation needed to repair most of the damage, but the clock is also ticking on how long overt fascism keeps hold appeal for its easy answer of might makes right and performative cruelty. Twenty years after the Iraq War and you won't find many people still thinking supporting that was the right side of history.
- mandeepj 1y ago
  > Covid was one hell of an excuse Inflation was another hell of an excuse this time. So no one party can continue with their 8-year spell.
mandeepj 1y ago
> so it'll be 7 more years of Republican rule. I don't think repubs will be able to cross the midterms barrier! 7 years is just too far out. As sexist as it sounds, any male presidential democratic candidate would easily beat anyone from the other side in 2028, including the tanned guy.
- Tadpole9181 1y ago
  This really depends, doesn't it? A GOO billionaire now owns the largest voting machine network; the GOP has a case in front of SCOTUS asking if they can intentionally racially segregate voting districts; Trump is deploying the military against US citizens with made-up cause while building an unaccountable secret police that require no warrants or habeus corpus. If any of those are "fruitful" so-to-speak, Democrats may never have power again. Remember, Donald Trump has tried: 1. A lightweight coup on J6 through supporters, but also by attempting to have secret service whisk away the VP before ratification of the election results. 2. To demand election officials "find" votes in Georgie. 3. Habitually denying the results of the election, including ones he won. 4. Claiming constitutional limits can be subverted by technicalities to allow lifelong rule with plenary authority (unitary executive + vice president handoff). Now his head of the Department of Justice is outright stating that the majority of Democrats are criminals, Hamas terrorists, or illegal immigrants without evidence or even meaningful pushback. Which sounds an awful lot like what you say before using your gestapo to prevent them from winning elections...
ed 1y ago
You’re playing apologist. Obviously, Benioff could have a set of actual, authentic values. Sadly he seems to point whichever way the wind is blowing.
- givemeethekeys 1y ago
  Trying to see the world from someone else's perspective is not the same thing as apologizing on their behalf.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> opposition does not have any viable candidates 2028 is 2 years away. In 2006, Obama was a U.S. Senator with less than 10% national name recogition [1]. In 2014, Trump was--at best--a political commentator. Election cycles are getting longer. But social media also rewards meteoric rises that eclipse public vetting. [1] https://www.npr.org/2007/09/19/14502364/obamas-loss-may-have-aided-white-house-bid https://www.npr.org/2007/09/19/14502364/obamas-loss-may-have...
platevoltage 1y ago
I certainly wouldn’t “pitch” an idea about how to help further oppress the population of my country unless maybe, I agreed with the oppression and wanted to help. This is far from a Tim Cook “thank you for your leadership, here’s a nice plaque, can you not destroy us with tariffs plz” moment. This is a guy who called for having the military police SF.

nine_zeros 1y ago

> Not even into their own pockets, but to prop up the balance sheets of their companies? Capitalism's biggest moat - a monopoly on the taxpayer teat. This monopoly is best enabled by corrupt government officials who are willing to trade the teat for political gains.

billy99k 1y ago

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mindslight 1y ago
Holy loaded question, Batman! For what it's worth, yes I have also characterized that mingling of corpo and bureaucratic government power as fascism. But I wasn't surprised by the upper class's embrace of bureaucratic authoritarianism, as it provided the stable foundation upon which they were able to thrive. Autocratic authoritarianism is right on target of the original definition of that word "fascism" though, rather than having to stretch a bit. And with autocratic authoritarianism, red in tooth and claw, now running our society into the ground, I'm certainly not going to wax nihilistically about "both sides". Do you know what the Trump regime calls its equivalent of The Twitter Files? A Tuesday.

4793273022729 1y ago

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