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If I was a police detective in the US I would be pretty angry at the notion of a bunch of rural weekend warriors taking over my job. I mean if it was this easy

by Yeul 1y ago

If I was a police detective in the US I would be pretty angry at the notion of a bunch of rural weekend warriors taking over my job. I mean if it was this easy why was the police created at all? We've always had soldiers.

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esseph 1y ago
Police detectives aren't running riot patrols. Military Police especially, but many units get actual training and experience in dealing with scenarios. They train for riot control and facility protection. They do it in combat zones, and have been pretty much in a roll non-stop around the world since 2001. The idea of a National Guard that resembled the one of the 80s didn't exist after especially 2003. I know NG infantry units that went on more deployments over a 9 year span than Active Duty units because of training schedule issues. --- Leaning on an LLM a bit for the next part, but check this out: Horn of Africa: Vermont National Guard deployed a unit to the region in January 2025. In July 2025, an Indiana Guard unit began a rotation with Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa. Kuwait: The Pennsylvania National Guard deployed soldiers to Kuwait in February 2025. The New York Army National Guard also sent soldiers to Kuwait and Africa in September 2025. Kosovo: Idaho Army National Guard soldiers deployed to Kosovo in August 2024. In April 2025, the Louisiana Guard's "Tiger Brigade" held a deployment ceremony for an overseas mission that could include time in Kosovo. Poland: Massachusetts Guard soldiers returned from a NATO support mission in Poland in September 2025. Germany: In April 2025, the Kentucky Guard MEDEVAC unit prepared for a deployment to Europe. Vermont Air National Guard deployed F-35A aircraft and airmen to Kadena Air Base in Japan in January 2025.
- jonway 1y ago
  Yeah but they didn’t deploy the Military Police, they sent Meal Team Six.
  - esseph 1y ago
    The next Texas NG unit might be "less enjoyable". And ultimately, fatso can still pull a trigger.
    - jonway 1y ago
      You’re missing the point made again. The national guard does not have a policing mandate or mission, they do not deploy police forces, aren’t deploying military police, do not have criminal justice training and none of the list you responded with before addresses any of this. Guardsmen guard. Why do you want military riot control again? The original comment was like: if I were police I’d be pissed off that untrained and unaccountable non-police are trying to do my job (and I have to clean up their mess)
      - esseph 1y ago
        ROE for engagements for decades prevented US troops from firing at people even if they had weapons pointed at them. You could point a RPG at private snuffy and he couldn't even raise his rifle. You point a cap gun at Officer Dipshit and 40 cops are going to unload on the holder of that cap gun and maybe 1 of them hits the target and the rest go into the crowd. The legal situation has allowed police to be cowards and use disproportionate force. On the flip side, local NG troops should be FAR more disciplined as tensions rise, but ultimately their level of force they could bring to the table is far, far, far higher than local PD if it came down to it. TLDR, private fatso should be far more restrained than local police, but poking that bear would not be advised. They should be holding up far better under pressure and riots than PD who are legally allowed to be cowards. Most police aren't used to dealing with the scale of riots many NG are, but that is unit dependent. I'm not "missing the point", I'm telling you to expect more humane treatment from an out of state NG unit than your local police. The training in riots and arms are FAR higher with than NG unit, and many have far more experience in actually dealing with rising tensions. They're not there to enforce laws, they are Force Protection. Again, I'm talking riot control and facility protection. NG are not civilian police, they're not training in that mission, but also they aren't being sent to perform it. Two different roles.

by Yeul 1y ago

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esseph 1y ago

Police detectives aren't running riot patrols. Military Police especially, but many units get actual training and experience in dealing with scenarios. They train for riot control and facility protection. They do it in combat zones, and have been pretty much in a roll non-stop around the world since 2001. The idea of a National Guard that resembled the one of the 80s didn't exist after especially 2003. I know NG infantry units that went on more deployments over a 9 year span than Active Duty units because of training schedule issues. --- Leaning on an LLM a bit for the next part, but check this out: Horn of Africa: Vermont National Guard deployed a unit to the region in January 2025. In July 2025, an Indiana Guard unit began a rotation with Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa. Kuwait: The Pennsylvania National Guard deployed soldiers to Kuwait in February 2025. The New York Army National Guard also sent soldiers to Kuwait and Africa in September 2025. Kosovo: Idaho Army National Guard soldiers deployed to Kosovo in August 2024. In April 2025, the Louisiana Guard's "Tiger Brigade" held a deployment ceremony for an overseas mission that could include time in Kosovo. Poland: Massachusetts Guard soldiers returned from a NATO support mission in Poland in September 2025. Germany: In April 2025, the Kentucky Guard MEDEVAC unit prepared for a deployment to Europe. Vermont Air National Guard deployed F-35A aircraft and airmen to Kadena Air Base in Japan in January 2025.

jonway 1y ago
Yeah but they didn’t deploy the Military Police, they sent Meal Team Six.
- esseph 1y ago
  The next Texas NG unit might be "less enjoyable". And ultimately, fatso can still pull a trigger.
  - jonway 1y ago
    You’re missing the point made again. The national guard does not have a policing mandate or mission, they do not deploy police forces, aren’t deploying military police, do not have criminal justice training and none of the list you responded with before addresses any of this. Guardsmen guard. Why do you want military riot control again? The original comment was like: if I were police I’d be pissed off that untrained and unaccountable non-police are trying to do my job (and I have to clean up their mess)
    - esseph 1y ago
      ROE for engagements for decades prevented US troops from firing at people even if they had weapons pointed at them. You could point a RPG at private snuffy and he couldn't even raise his rifle. You point a cap gun at Officer Dipshit and 40 cops are going to unload on the holder of that cap gun and maybe 1 of them hits the target and the rest go into the crowd. The legal situation has allowed police to be cowards and use disproportionate force. On the flip side, local NG troops should be FAR more disciplined as tensions rise, but ultimately their level of force they could bring to the table is far, far, far higher than local PD if it came down to it. TLDR, private fatso should be far more restrained than local police, but poking that bear would not be advised. They should be holding up far better under pressure and riots than PD who are legally allowed to be cowards. Most police aren't used to dealing with the scale of riots many NG are, but that is unit dependent. I'm not "missing the point", I'm telling you to expect more humane treatment from an out of state NG unit than your local police. The training in riots and arms are FAR higher with than NG unit, and many have far more experience in actually dealing with rising tensions. They're not there to enforce laws, they are Force Protection. Again, I'm talking riot control and facility protection. NG are not civilian police, they're not training in that mission, but also they aren't being sent to perform it. Two different roles.