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They're not going to Paris, are they? 4chan brings their services into the UK. The US does the same thing: Kim Dotcom comes to mind.

by tgv 1y ago

ibejoeb 1y ago
You can argue that either way. It's not the best analogy. I extrapolate in another comment in this thread. NZ agreed to cooperate with the US request. That made all the difference. If the US agrees to allow UK to proceed, then that's trouble for 4chan.
tremon 1y ago
4chan brings their services into the UK How exactly do they do that? Do they have peering agreements with UK-based ISPs?
RHSeeger 1y ago
To argue the details, no they don't bring their service to the UK. Rather, they surface their services where ever their servers are. And then "the internet", other people's hardware and such that they have no control over, bring it to the UK. I know it's pedantic, but this particular thread is _about_ the pedantics.
mikkupikku 1y ago
The most important difference between this and Kim Dotcom is the US has a lot of weight to throw around, evidently having enough to lean on the governments of small countries like NZ. In the case of 4chan though, it's a once-great but now relatively minor country trying to have their way with an American company, meanwhile America has laws explicitly for the purpose of telling the British to fuck off with the imposition of any of their free speech violating antics against Americans.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  The US entertainment industry has a lot of weight to throw around.
parliament32 1y ago
In the complaint[1], they explicitly state "4chan has no presence, operations, or infrastructure outside of the territorial limits of the United States." So, no, 4chan is not bringing their services into the UK: UK users send requests that travel to the US and hit 4chan servers/CDNs there. [1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71209929/1/4chan-community-support-llc-v-uk-office-of-communications/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71209929/1/4chan-commun...
ang_cire 1y ago
No, the ISPs who operate the ASes and routers that make up "the internet" are the ones who bring the service to the UK. 4chan does not reach out to UK users in any way, only responds to their incoming requests. It really is analogous to UK users going to a foreign country, buying something that their home country has an issue with, having a third party ship it to their home country, and then their home country getting mad at the store.
Mountain_Skies 1y ago
From what I've heard, their servers are in the US, so UK residents are connecting to the US to access the site and not the other way around. 4chan sells memberships that allow users to bypass some of the rules. If they accept payment from UK banks (no idea if they do or not), then perhaps the UK can make a claim they're doing business in the UK.
account42 1y ago
> They're not going to Paris, are they? 4chan brings their services into the UK. They don't bring their services to the UK, ISPs and other network operators do - the UK can go after those and force them to implement the Great Firewall of Britain but that would be less popular so they don't yet. > The US does the same thing: Kim Dotcom comes to mind. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. The UK can try to go after US citizens abroad if they want to but they will quickly find out why that's a bad idea.

They're not going to Paris, are they? 4chan brings their services into the UK. The US does the same thing: Kim Dotcom comes to mind.

by tgv 1y ago

They're not going to Paris, are they? 4chan brings their services into the UK. The US does the same thing: Kim Dotcom comes to mind.

ibejoeb 1y ago

You can argue that either way. It's not the best analogy. I extrapolate in another comment in this thread. NZ agreed to cooperate with the US request. That made all the difference. If the US agrees to allow UK to proceed, then that's trouble for 4chan.

tremon 1y ago

4chan brings their services into the UK How exactly do they do that? Do they have peering agreements with UK-based ISPs?

RHSeeger 1y ago

To argue the details, no they don't bring their service to the UK. Rather, they surface their services where ever their servers are. And then "the internet", other people's hardware and such that they have no control over, bring it to the UK. I know it's pedantic, but this particular thread is _about_ the pedantics.

mikkupikku 1y ago

The most important difference between this and Kim Dotcom is the US has a lot of weight to throw around, evidently having enough to lean on the governments of small countries like NZ. In the case of 4chan though, it's a once-great but now relatively minor country trying to have their way with an American company, meanwhile America has laws explicitly for the purpose of telling the British to fuck off with the imposition of any of their free speech violating antics against Americans.

throwaway48476 1y ago
The US entertainment industry has a lot of weight to throw around.

parliament32 1y ago

In the complaint[1], they explicitly state "4chan has no presence, operations, or infrastructure outside of the territorial limits of the United States." So, no, 4chan is not bringing their services into the UK: UK users send requests that travel to the US and hit 4chan servers/CDNs there. [1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71209929/1/4chan-community-support-llc-v-uk-office-of-communications/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71209929/1/4chan-commun...

ang_cire 1y ago

No, the ISPs who operate the ASes and routers that make up "the internet" are the ones who bring the service to the UK. 4chan does not reach out to UK users in any way, only responds to their incoming requests. It really is analogous to UK users going to a foreign country, buying something that their home country has an issue with, having a third party ship it to their home country, and then their home country getting mad at the store.

Mountain_Skies 1y ago

From what I've heard, their servers are in the US, so UK residents are connecting to the US to access the site and not the other way around. 4chan sells memberships that allow users to bypass some of the rules. If they accept payment from UK banks (no idea if they do or not), then perhaps the UK can make a claim they're doing business in the UK.

account42 1y ago

> They're not going to Paris, are they? 4chan brings their services into the UK. They don't bring their services to the UK, ISPs and other network operators do - the UK can go after those and force them to implement the Great Firewall of Britain but that would be less popular so they don't yet. > The US does the same thing: Kim Dotcom comes to mind. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. The UK can try to go after US citizens abroad if they want to but they will quickly find out why that's a bad idea.