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Not exactly. It's like if a brit goes to paris to buy cigarettes, the UK is stating that it's the tabac's job to refuse the transaction. They can say whatever
by ibejoeb 1y ago
Not exactly. It's like if a brit goes to paris to buy cigarettes, the UK is stating that it's the tabac's job to refuse the transaction.
They can say whatever they want, but the UK can't conduct an extra-territorial police action in france. They can bar subject from traveling to france instead. The onus is on the UK.
- foobarian 1y agoTime to stand up Hadrian's Firewall!
- awesome_dude 1y agoThere was an Australian case, I'll look it up, but the relevant bit, the publishing of the web page happened on a computer in Australia, which they claimed (successfully) gave them jurisdiction
- ibejoeb 1y agoBut what does successfully mean? An Australian court can rule on it, but Australia is going to have to take it up with US State from there. Or send the navy, I guess...
- fecal_henge 1y agoI'm nearly at the point of saying that a tobacco sales isn't the best analogy here.
- ibejoeb 1y agoI could be milk, right? Or a sheet of paper. I'll concede that it's not terribly far fetched. If the french entity produced a good that is illegal in the UK put it in the post to be delivered to the UK, then we have something like an analog to producing HTML in one place and displaying elsewhere. However, the thing about sovereignty is that you don't have it if you can't enforce it.
- tgv 1y agoThey're not going to Paris, are they? 4chan brings their services into the UK. The US does the same thing: Kim Dotcom comes to mind.
- ibejoeb 1y agoYou can argue that either way. It's not the best analogy. I extrapolate in another comment in this thread. NZ agreed to cooperate with the US request. That made all the difference. If the US agrees to allow UK to proceed, then that's trouble for 4chan.
- tremon 1y ago4chan brings their services into the UK How exactly do they do that? Do they have peering agreements with UK-based ISPs?
- RHSeeger 1y agoTo argue the details, no they don't bring their service to the UK. Rather, they surface their services where ever their servers are. And then "the internet", other people's hardware and such that they have no control over, bring it to the UK. I know it's pedantic, but this particular thread is _about_ the pedantics.
- mikkupikku 1y agoThe most important difference between this and Kim Dotcom is the US has a lot of weight to throw around, evidently having enough to lean on the governments of small countries like NZ. In the case of 4chan though, it's a once-great but now relatively minor country trying to have their way with an American company, meanwhile America has laws explicitly for the purpose of telling the British to fuck off with the imposition of any of their free speech violating antics against Americans.
- throwaway48476 1y agoThe US entertainment industry has a lot of weight to throw around.
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