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Something needs to be done. The outcomes are manifestly bad. I can't take the pro-freedom intellectual argument seriously unless it's coupled with a suite of pr

Something needs to be done. The outcomes are manifestly bad. I can't take the pro-freedom intellectual argument seriously unless it's coupled with a suite of pragmatic solutions to the negative side effects I am observing with my own senses. The intellectual walls of text just aren't papering over that reality.

tokai 1y ago
>The outcomes are manifestly bad. That's just as bad of an argument as so-called intellectual walls of text. Nothing needs to be done, the outcomes are not bad. My argument is as strong as yours.
- energy123 1y ago
  The Internet Research Agency organizing multiple Black Lives Matter protests due to control over approximately 50% of the largest identity-based Facebook groups is just one small example on a long list of examples of social unrest and the consequential ushering in of sectarianism and destruction of democracy that the current status quo is enabling. The pro-freedom types do not even know this is happening let alone have any solutions to it. Turning a blind eye is all they have. So until they show an awareness of the existence of the issue I will be siding with the only people who have put any effort into addressing the problems.
  - aydyn 1y ago
    Lets assume you are right that there is effectively a constant stream of low level sybil attacks attempting to destabilize society, and they are effective. Censoring view points is equivalent to signal boosting other view points. Why do you trust the UK government to select the correct view points given all the strong evidence to the contrary?
array_key_first 1y ago
Propaganda campaigns are one thing, but the reality is these laws target stupid ass shit like porn. Is that a made up problem? IMO: yes. That's a PARENT'S responsibility, not mine. There are legitimate arguments in favor of a national firewall. Nobody is making them.
int_19h 1y ago
Are you accounting for the manifestly bad outcomes in countries with "great firewalls", though?
account42 1y ago
> Something needs to be done. This is about the worst attitude you can have in politics.

tokai 1y ago

>The outcomes are manifestly bad. That's just as bad of an argument as so-called intellectual walls of text. Nothing needs to be done, the outcomes are not bad. My argument is as strong as yours.

energy123 1y ago
The Internet Research Agency organizing multiple Black Lives Matter protests due to control over approximately 50% of the largest identity-based Facebook groups is just one small example on a long list of examples of social unrest and the consequential ushering in of sectarianism and destruction of democracy that the current status quo is enabling. The pro-freedom types do not even know this is happening let alone have any solutions to it. Turning a blind eye is all they have. So until they show an awareness of the existence of the issue I will be siding with the only people who have put any effort into addressing the problems.
- aydyn 1y ago
  Lets assume you are right that there is effectively a constant stream of low level sybil attacks attempting to destabilize society, and they are effective. Censoring view points is equivalent to signal boosting other view points. Why do you trust the UK government to select the correct view points given all the strong evidence to the contrary?

array_key_first 1y ago

Propaganda campaigns are one thing, but the reality is these laws target stupid ass shit like porn. Is that a made up problem? IMO: yes. That's a PARENT'S responsibility, not mine. There are legitimate arguments in favor of a national firewall. Nobody is making them.

int_19h 1y ago

Are you accounting for the manifestly bad outcomes in countries with "great firewalls", though?

account42 1y ago

> Something needs to be done. This is about the worst attitude you can have in politics.