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I may be wrong about the total raised so far, different ai responses bounce around greatly on the total raised and spent so far, and of course it’s impossible t

I may be wrong about the total raised so far, different ai responses bounce around greatly on the total raised and spent so far, and of course it’s impossible to know exactly given so much “dark money” in politics today, but even very leftwardly biased ai responses list Newsom as one of the few major backers. I suppose it’s money from his 2022 gubernatorial fund mostly but you’ll admit 2022 has come and gone? (Maybe you won’t!) And if you think Newsom doesn’t have presidential ambitions, and that his path to the White House doesn’t depend quite critically on passage of prop 50, you either aren’t paying attention to the full arc of Gavin’s career or being overtly dishonest. Edit: Indeed my total was off by about 2x, but my general point stands the proposition in detrimental to California’s political power in Washington because it reduces the state’s representation in the GOP power structure, while mostly benefitting Newsom’s presidential ambitions. If you can’t see that I don’t know how to help you.

johnnyanmac 1y ago
> it reduces the state’s representation in the GOP power structure Compared to now, where the GOP power drained the reservoirs, seized the states national guard without authorization to roam the streets and then migrate to Oregon, and overall labeling the state as everything wrong with thr democratic party? How much did it cost the state or federal to pull off all those stunts? The redistricting goes back to normal during the 2030 census, and clearly the state needs to work fast against these clear oversteps in power against it. This really isn't the time to play moderatism. The GOP power hasn't these past 9 months. 300m in advertising to make sure the people know this is chump change for the 4th largest economy. ----- Now all that said, how is advertising for a ballot initiative on any way "rigged"? Even if you think it's dumb and harmful, this is going by thr books, which says the people get to vote on any amendments to the state constitution. Where's the foul play here?
- notmyjob 1y ago
  Look, most of the work of state congressional reps is getting pork approved and garnering federal funds for the state. If you cannot understand that and grasp how having representatives in both groups helps the state then I can’t help you. Prop 50 is bad for the state as a whole. It is also undemocratic but let’s not pretend that matters to those involved. Those involved in this who work for the state (people like Gavin) should care about the fate of the state they are supposedly working for more than their own presidential ambitions, no? Especially when that person has little chance of winning at the national level because they do really stupid things like prop 50.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    >. If you cannot understand that and grasp how having representatives in both groups helps the state then I can’t help you. So you're fine with one group kowtowing to the other to "help the state", as one group is illegally withholding congressionally allocated funds on their own whim? L et's stop being coy and just say what you really think of the current atmosphere as of late. Are you personally done with Unitary Executive Theory in action? If you approve of that then just say Al instead of pretending that we're in a government that is functioning democratically. >It is also undemocratic but let’s not pretend that matters to those involved. Let's put it in a more extreme way. If war breaks out and we had a ballot to give the president plenary powers until the war concludes l, is that not still democratic if it is voted for? The action weakens democracy, yes. but the power of democracy includes the ability to dismantle it, As long as that is the will of the voters. So I see prop 50 as the exact tools of democracy being used. In this case as a way to recognize that everyone else broke the glass illegally, so people doing it "the right way" vote to break the glass. >Those involved in this who work for the state (people like Gavin) should care about the fate of the state they are supposedly working for more than their own presidential ambitions, no? What do you think the fate of the state is if it doesn't redistricting, given the event described above? You're being very accusational but aren't addressing the fact that the federal government is in fact attacking the state. You haven't actually told me anything bad about prop 50 except that "it's undemocratic" and that you think it's stupid. I address the democratic part. If people want to vote for stupid stuff, that is also democratic. We did so in 2024 nationals.

johnnyanmac 1y ago

> it reduces the state’s representation in the GOP power structure Compared to now, where the GOP power drained the reservoirs, seized the states national guard without authorization to roam the streets and then migrate to Oregon, and overall labeling the state as everything wrong with thr democratic party? How much did it cost the state or federal to pull off all those stunts? The redistricting goes back to normal during the 2030 census, and clearly the state needs to work fast against these clear oversteps in power against it. This really isn't the time to play moderatism. The GOP power hasn't these past 9 months. 300m in advertising to make sure the people know this is chump change for the 4th largest economy. ----- Now all that said, how is advertising for a ballot initiative on any way "rigged"? Even if you think it's dumb and harmful, this is going by thr books, which says the people get to vote on any amendments to the state constitution. Where's the foul play here?

notmyjob 1y ago
Look, most of the work of state congressional reps is getting pork approved and garnering federal funds for the state. If you cannot understand that and grasp how having representatives in both groups helps the state then I can’t help you. Prop 50 is bad for the state as a whole. It is also undemocratic but let’s not pretend that matters to those involved. Those involved in this who work for the state (people like Gavin) should care about the fate of the state they are supposedly working for more than their own presidential ambitions, no? Especially when that person has little chance of winning at the national level because they do really stupid things like prop 50.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >. If you cannot understand that and grasp how having representatives in both groups helps the state then I can’t help you. So you're fine with one group kowtowing to the other to "help the state", as one group is illegally withholding congressionally allocated funds on their own whim? L et's stop being coy and just say what you really think of the current atmosphere as of late. Are you personally done with Unitary Executive Theory in action? If you approve of that then just say Al instead of pretending that we're in a government that is functioning democratically. >It is also undemocratic but let’s not pretend that matters to those involved. Let's put it in a more extreme way. If war breaks out and we had a ballot to give the president plenary powers until the war concludes l, is that not still democratic if it is voted for? The action weakens democracy, yes. but the power of democracy includes the ability to dismantle it, As long as that is the will of the voters. So I see prop 50 as the exact tools of democracy being used. In this case as a way to recognize that everyone else broke the glass illegally, so people doing it "the right way" vote to break the glass. >Those involved in this who work for the state (people like Gavin) should care about the fate of the state they are supposedly working for more than their own presidential ambitions, no? What do you think the fate of the state is if it doesn't redistricting, given the event described above? You're being very accusational but aren't addressing the fact that the federal government is in fact attacking the state. You haven't actually told me anything bad about prop 50 except that "it's undemocratic" and that you think it's stupid. I address the democratic part. If people want to vote for stupid stuff, that is also democratic. We did so in 2024 nationals.