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As an outsider, I have two questions: - why is Shopify kind of hated in the comments? - what is it DHH said? Hoping for some context

Alifatisk 1y ago
I think because of this, which started this whole thing > Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover
- drbragg 1y ago
  This isn't true according to this article: https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rails/ https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rails/. Joel has a terrible habit of not citing his sources so I'm not sure if the post in question is the same but this seems to nullify that argument. TBF I do think there was pressure from Shopify to get compliance and security in order but saying "Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems" is just plain not true.
  - joeldrapper 1y ago
    Ruby Central is making legal threats to its critics, so I hope you can see why people don’t feel safe to come forward on the record. I can tell you that two people with direct knowledge of the situation told me that Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems GitHub organisation and packages. You can believe that I am lying if you want. But I can’t directly cite my sources in this case.
    - drbragg 1y ago
      I never said you were lying. I said the quote that person pulled from your article isn't true. IIRC your article came out before the one I linked came out.
      - joeldrapper 1y ago
        I believe the quote pulled from my article is true. Freedom’s original article lines up with what other people told me. I know he’s tried to retract it, but I don’t trust him to be truthful in this matter. He has lied about other things like the takeover being necessary for security.
  - mijoharas 1y ago
    The rubygems treasurer who is on the board said funding was conditional on doing this[0][1]. One interesting thing is that Ruby Central then said "Board decisions are independent and not contingent on funding."[2]. Doesn't inspire a lot of trust when there is a statement from a board member saying "we did this because of funding". I'm more inclined to believe Joel's account. [0] A deadline (which as far as I understand, we agreed to) loomed. Either Ruby Central puts controls in place to ensure the safety and stability of the infrastructure we are responsible for, or lose the funding that we use to keep those things online and going. [1] https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of-the https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of... [2] https://rubycentral.org/news/our-stewardship-where-we-are-whats-changing-and-how-well-engage/ https://rubycentral.org/news/our-stewardship-where-we-are-wh...
baggy_trough 1y ago
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mijoharas 1y ago
Oh no, looks like you're one of today's (unlucky) 10000[0]. (For context I only heard about all this recently). For the DHH thing he wrote a recent blog post where he said he wants fewer non-white people in London and praises an english far-right fascist figure (Tommy Robinson)[1]. Not really sure about the Shopify stuff. I've heard people aren't too fond of Tobi (the C.E.O. I think), and he's buddies with DHH, but it could just be general distrust of a big company trying to exert control of an open source project (through Ruby Central). [0] https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/ [1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
- dontlaugh 1y ago
  As an outsider to Ruby I kept hearing rumours and thinking it has to be exaggerated. No, it turns out DHH really wrote a blog post complaining not enough people in London are white (even though they’re British) and praising a famous British fascist. The rest is very much still confusing, some kind of opportunistic power plays and typical open source chaos.
  - mijoharas 1y ago
    Almost exactly my thoughts when I heard about it[0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303239

Alifatisk 1y ago

I think because of this, which started this whole thing > Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover

drbragg 1y ago
This isn't true according to this article: https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rails/ https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rails/. Joel has a terrible habit of not citing his sources so I'm not sure if the post in question is the same but this seems to nullify that argument. TBF I do think there was pressure from Shopify to get compliance and security in order but saying "Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems" is just plain not true.
- joeldrapper 1y ago
  Ruby Central is making legal threats to its critics, so I hope you can see why people don’t feel safe to come forward on the record. I can tell you that two people with direct knowledge of the situation told me that Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems GitHub organisation and packages. You can believe that I am lying if you want. But I can’t directly cite my sources in this case.
  - drbragg 1y ago
    I never said you were lying. I said the quote that person pulled from your article isn't true. IIRC your article came out before the one I linked came out.
    - joeldrapper 1y ago
      I believe the quote pulled from my article is true. Freedom’s original article lines up with what other people told me. I know he’s tried to retract it, but I don’t trust him to be truthful in this matter. He has lied about other things like the takeover being necessary for security.
- mijoharas 1y ago
  The rubygems treasurer who is on the board said funding was conditional on doing this[0][1]. One interesting thing is that Ruby Central then said "Board decisions are independent and not contingent on funding."[2]. Doesn't inspire a lot of trust when there is a statement from a board member saying "we did this because of funding". I'm more inclined to believe Joel's account. [0] A deadline (which as far as I understand, we agreed to) loomed. Either Ruby Central puts controls in place to ensure the safety and stability of the infrastructure we are responsible for, or lose the funding that we use to keep those things online and going. [1] https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of-the https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of... [2] https://rubycentral.org/news/our-stewardship-where-we-are-whats-changing-and-how-well-engage/ https://rubycentral.org/news/our-stewardship-where-we-are-wh...

baggy_trough 1y ago

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mijoharas 1y ago

Oh no, looks like you're one of today's (unlucky) 10000[0]. (For context I only heard about all this recently). For the DHH thing he wrote a recent blog post where he said he wants fewer non-white people in London and praises an english far-right fascist figure (Tommy Robinson)[1]. Not really sure about the Shopify stuff. I've heard people aren't too fond of Tobi (the C.E.O. I think), and he's buddies with DHH, but it could just be general distrust of a big company trying to exert control of an open source project (through Ruby Central). [0] https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/ [1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

dontlaugh 1y ago
As an outsider to Ruby I kept hearing rumours and thinking it has to be exaggerated. No, it turns out DHH really wrote a blog post complaining not enough people in London are white (even though they’re British) and praising a famous British fascist. The rest is very much still confusing, some kind of opportunistic power plays and typical open source chaos.
- mijoharas 1y ago
  Almost exactly my thoughts when I heard about it[0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303239