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Me: "This food is bad, tastes like shit" You: "Are you saying that cooking is wrong?" Me: "Cooking is fine, but this food is bad, tastes like shit" It's just

Me: "This food is bad, tastes like shit" You: "Are you saying that cooking is wrong?" Me: "Cooking is fine, but this food is bad, tastes like shit" It's just that simple. You are free to eat shit if you want, and maybe the world is changing and eating shit will be in vogue soon, but I will continue disliking it.

FrustratedMonky 1y ago
Communicating is difficult. Something like 50% of text communications are misinterpreted. So AI 2027, itself is in 'poor taste', is 'shit'. Not the act of linking ideas in AI 2027 to a news article. Well. It's level of being shit, guess could still be debated. It makes a point of AI increasingly being used in decision making. And it is. So guess it depends on how much you're keeping up with current events whether you think this is really unlikely. Or how much you believe what is being reported. Or the degree that decision makers become dependent on AI, will it ever reach the levels as depicted in AI 2027 could be debated.
- alganet 1y ago
  > It makes a point of AI increasingly being used in decision making But that is nothing new. Everyone knows that. Go back to square one, my first comment, Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines. So, in what aspect AI-2027 is new? I can tell you. It bends its knees to some narratives: - It portrays LLMs as more advanced than they are. - It patronizes and antagonizes China. US technologies are portrayed as primordial, while Chinese ones are always copied and stolen. - It encourages viral sharing of those speculations as true. Now, by all means, I'm not defending China here. Also, I'm not praising US. I don't want these two to fight (nothing good will come out of it). The fact that AI-2027 takes that stance speculatively (those are not part of the "research" aspect of their work, they are "scenarios"), to me, tastes like shit. It is, in fact, debatable. Maybe you think antagonizing China and promoting private technologies beyond their capabilities is cool. I think it's shit. Now, again, go back to square two. Decision-making AI for real military use (not to improve their CRM software or PR) is likely coming from the likes of Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and so on. There is some aspect of cyberwarfare to LLM deployments, but the reality of it is not that obvious, and AI-2027 does nothing to explain how that plays out. In fact, it does much to keep the public away from how it could really play out. Misinterpreting is a technique. You can always introduce noise to a clear conversation. Maybe you already understand all that I'm saying (I'm an optimist), and is introducing noise and feigning misunderstanding to shepard the discussion towards a stalemate (you tried several times, like "not sure if we disagree"). Let me be very clear, again: we disagree a lot in a lot of things.
  - FrustratedMonky 1y ago
    I'm trying, not sure you are as completely in good faith as you are thinking you sound. This is the first you mentioned China as a problem. How am I supposed to take a comment about Rise of the Machines, and extrapolate your whole argument about how conflict with China is being misrepresented in AI 2027? How am I promoting antagonizing China? In todays world, isn't the threat of conflict with China in the news constantly? Am I supposed to scrub any reference to any publication that references this very common variable or be accused of promoting it?
    - alganet 1y ago
      China is a central part of the AI-2027 speculation. I can't believe you missed it. I'm acusing AI-2027 of doing bad taste stuff, not you. Unless you are one of the authors, you don't have to feel offended. I am acusing you of sharing the AI-2027 content though, which I consider to be of bad taste. You are supposed to think if what you are doing online bends its knees to narratives you don't have control over. I think that's a reasonable thing to do.
      - FrustratedMonky 1y ago
        Of course. It's been awhile, I don't remember China being a big part of "Rise of the Machines". So how was I to make the connection between Rise of the Machines, and you're objections to AI 2027's view of China? It's a bit of a leap in assumptions from an old Terminator movie, to your main problem. If your main problem is that I should not be promulgating false information, because AI is overblown, and China isn't a threat. That's also kind of a leap. I'll agree, just generally, we shouldn't be fanning the flames of discord. Not sure this was really to that degree.
        alganet 1y ago
        C'mon, you are familiar with AI-2027 and not AI apocalypse movies? That's sloppy. I know all of the Terminator movies by heart.

FrustratedMonky 1y ago

Communicating is difficult. Something like 50% of text communications are misinterpreted. So AI 2027, itself is in 'poor taste', is 'shit'. Not the act of linking ideas in AI 2027 to a news article. Well. It's level of being shit, guess could still be debated. It makes a point of AI increasingly being used in decision making. And it is. So guess it depends on how much you're keeping up with current events whether you think this is really unlikely. Or how much you believe what is being reported. Or the degree that decision makers become dependent on AI, will it ever reach the levels as depicted in AI 2027 could be debated.

alganet 1y ago
> It makes a point of AI increasingly being used in decision making But that is nothing new. Everyone knows that. Go back to square one, my first comment, Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines. So, in what aspect AI-2027 is new? I can tell you. It bends its knees to some narratives: - It portrays LLMs as more advanced than they are. - It patronizes and antagonizes China. US technologies are portrayed as primordial, while Chinese ones are always copied and stolen. - It encourages viral sharing of those speculations as true. Now, by all means, I'm not defending China here. Also, I'm not praising US. I don't want these two to fight (nothing good will come out of it). The fact that AI-2027 takes that stance speculatively (those are not part of the "research" aspect of their work, they are "scenarios"), to me, tastes like shit. It is, in fact, debatable. Maybe you think antagonizing China and promoting private technologies beyond their capabilities is cool. I think it's shit. Now, again, go back to square two. Decision-making AI for real military use (not to improve their CRM software or PR) is likely coming from the likes of Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and so on. There is some aspect of cyberwarfare to LLM deployments, but the reality of it is not that obvious, and AI-2027 does nothing to explain how that plays out. In fact, it does much to keep the public away from how it could really play out. Misinterpreting is a technique. You can always introduce noise to a clear conversation. Maybe you already understand all that I'm saying (I'm an optimist), and is introducing noise and feigning misunderstanding to shepard the discussion towards a stalemate (you tried several times, like "not sure if we disagree"). Let me be very clear, again: we disagree a lot in a lot of things.
- FrustratedMonky 1y ago
  I'm trying, not sure you are as completely in good faith as you are thinking you sound. This is the first you mentioned China as a problem. How am I supposed to take a comment about Rise of the Machines, and extrapolate your whole argument about how conflict with China is being misrepresented in AI 2027? How am I promoting antagonizing China? In todays world, isn't the threat of conflict with China in the news constantly? Am I supposed to scrub any reference to any publication that references this very common variable or be accused of promoting it?
  - alganet 1y ago
    China is a central part of the AI-2027 speculation. I can't believe you missed it. I'm acusing AI-2027 of doing bad taste stuff, not you. Unless you are one of the authors, you don't have to feel offended. I am acusing you of sharing the AI-2027 content though, which I consider to be of bad taste. You are supposed to think if what you are doing online bends its knees to narratives you don't have control over. I think that's a reasonable thing to do.
    - FrustratedMonky 1y ago
      Of course. It's been awhile, I don't remember China being a big part of "Rise of the Machines". So how was I to make the connection between Rise of the Machines, and you're objections to AI 2027's view of China? It's a bit of a leap in assumptions from an old Terminator movie, to your main problem. If your main problem is that I should not be promulgating false information, because AI is overblown, and China isn't a threat. That's also kind of a leap. I'll agree, just generally, we shouldn't be fanning the flames of discord. Not sure this was really to that degree.
      - alganet 1y ago
        C'mon, you are familiar with AI-2027 and not AI apocalypse movies? That's sloppy. I know all of the Terminator movies by heart.