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It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who foun

It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who founded the country.

mothballed 1y ago
Most of the sanctuary areas that have historically resisted ICE are brutally against any originalist interpretation of the 2A.
- locopati 1y ago
  And weirdly, the staunch defenders of 2A, because how else do you fight tyranny are all, good with the tyrant and the tyrant party shitting all over the Constitution.
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- nielsbot 1y ago
  You’ll have to fight fascism with mass protests not guns.
  - hackable_sand 1y ago
    And art
CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
> It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. "The Government" is not a entity with "wants" or "needs", it's a collection of people with their own motivations. Motivations that usually end up being about power or money, or a combination, because the people who end up in the government are capitalists. > why it was the 2nd most important thing to those I mean, not really? The 2nd amendment includes stuff that they didn't even think of originally when creating the constitution, so just because it was the second amendment that went through, doesn't mean it was "the 2nd most important thing", the most important things are the original articles in the constitution, so the amendments must start ranking at 8th place or something like that, 2nd amendment ends up being the 9th most important thing if we were to rank things like you did, but honestly.
- lan321 1y ago
  >"The Government" is not a entity with "wants" or "needs", it's a collection of people with their own motivations. Motivations that usually end up being about power or money, or a combination, because the people who end up in the government are capitalists. The main issue is that its power only grows. No one sane would propose to reduce his influence and/or make his job harder and everyone has ideas on how to make his job easier. It's not about capitalism, communism or anything else. The only thing that plays a role is how many somewhat independent influence blocks you have and whether you have a system to stop the power creep and 'we only have to vote it in once' problem. And it's not even strictly about 'easier' from the perspective of the worker. I imagine if you deal with police work and such spying probably seems a lot more reasonable since you're very exposed to the bad part of society, which does skew your view of the world, no matter how rational you think you are.
thrance 1y ago
Your 2A line sounds like a big joke. What are the armed citizens supposed to do? Shoot ICE? That would end well, I'm sure. The guns are fucking useless when most gun owners support the authoritarian government currently taking roots.
- red-iron-pine 1y ago
  democracy in the US exists entirely because the common man was willing, and able, to do that ICE are fat and woefully underqualified.
  - culll_kuprey 1y ago
    I thought that was the Texas national guard lol. Kinda surprised they didn’t take this “it’s fake” defense.
piva00 1y ago
The same 2nd amendment from 1791 when the most firepower a government could have were cannons shooting round cannonballs? Surely in 2025 a ragtag group of people with some revolvers, pistols, hunting rifles, and a small minority owning assault rifles, with limited ammo will be able to fight against the most well-funded armed force with tanks, IFVs, assault helicopters, aircrafts, missiles, rockets, and military infantry armed to the gills wearing NVGs. People who think 2A will do anything in case your government actually turns violent on you are just trying to maintain the illusion of control.
culll_kuprey 1y ago
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- red-iron-pine 1y ago
  i know someone who is a single issue voter for guns. he owes $33k after having a kid with crappy insurance. I asked him how guns would help and started on a rant about slippery slopes bla bla bla
  - culll_kuprey 1y ago
    I’m not even unsympathetic to the guns rights people. I just can’t square the. “We need guns to fight tyranny” with the constant screaming of “we’re falling into communism/fascisim/etc.” screeching s been doing since they learned those worlds.
- mothballed 1y ago
  If you look at the groups brutalized by the government, including blacks, Hispanics, leftists, and peasents in central America, they all have something in common. They have far lower gun ownership rates than the less victimized groups like whites and the right. Now, maybe the guns didn't do anything either way, but the data correlates pretty strongly with the people with guns being brutalized less than the people without them. It certainly isn't leading to the conclusion you seem to be aiming at. Even the people in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising bought a few extra hours before getting gassed because of their (smuggled) guns. >>This is why people support the [1A], and why it was the [] most important thing to those who founded the country. >Yet the government has continuously taken more and more power for decades on end, and the [1st] amendment hasn’t stopped it. Ergo 1A advocates are larpers.
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It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who founded the country.

mothballed 1y ago

Most of the sanctuary areas that have historically resisted ICE are brutally against any originalist interpretation of the 2A.

locopati 1y ago
And weirdly, the staunch defenders of 2A, because how else do you fight tyranny are all, good with the tyrant and the tyrant party shitting all over the Constitution.
- deleted 1y ago
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nielsbot 1y ago
You’ll have to fight fascism with mass protests not guns.
- hackable_sand 1y ago
  And art

CaptainOfCoit 1y ago

> It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. "The Government" is not a entity with "wants" or "needs", it's a collection of people with their own motivations. Motivations that usually end up being about power or money, or a combination, because the people who end up in the government are capitalists. > why it was the 2nd most important thing to those I mean, not really? The 2nd amendment includes stuff that they didn't even think of originally when creating the constitution, so just because it was the second amendment that went through, doesn't mean it was "the 2nd most important thing", the most important things are the original articles in the constitution, so the amendments must start ranking at 8th place or something like that, 2nd amendment ends up being the 9th most important thing if we were to rank things like you did, but honestly.

lan321 1y ago
>"The Government" is not a entity with "wants" or "needs", it's a collection of people with their own motivations. Motivations that usually end up being about power or money, or a combination, because the people who end up in the government are capitalists. The main issue is that its power only grows. No one sane would propose to reduce his influence and/or make his job harder and everyone has ideas on how to make his job easier. It's not about capitalism, communism or anything else. The only thing that plays a role is how many somewhat independent influence blocks you have and whether you have a system to stop the power creep and 'we only have to vote it in once' problem. And it's not even strictly about 'easier' from the perspective of the worker. I imagine if you deal with police work and such spying probably seems a lot more reasonable since you're very exposed to the bad part of society, which does skew your view of the world, no matter how rational you think you are.

thrance 1y ago

Your 2A line sounds like a big joke. What are the armed citizens supposed to do? Shoot ICE? That would end well, I'm sure. The guns are fucking useless when most gun owners support the authoritarian government currently taking roots.

red-iron-pine 1y ago
democracy in the US exists entirely because the common man was willing, and able, to do that ICE are fat and woefully underqualified.
- culll_kuprey 1y ago
  I thought that was the Texas national guard lol. Kinda surprised they didn’t take this “it’s fake” defense.

piva00 1y ago

The same 2nd amendment from 1791 when the most firepower a government could have were cannons shooting round cannonballs? Surely in 2025 a ragtag group of people with some revolvers, pistols, hunting rifles, and a small minority owning assault rifles, with limited ammo will be able to fight against the most well-funded armed force with tanks, IFVs, assault helicopters, aircrafts, missiles, rockets, and military infantry armed to the gills wearing NVGs. People who think 2A will do anything in case your government actually turns violent on you are just trying to maintain the illusion of control.

culll_kuprey 1y ago

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red-iron-pine 1y ago
i know someone who is a single issue voter for guns. he owes $33k after having a kid with crappy insurance. I asked him how guns would help and started on a rant about slippery slopes bla bla bla
- culll_kuprey 1y ago
  I’m not even unsympathetic to the guns rights people. I just can’t square the. “We need guns to fight tyranny” with the constant screaming of “we’re falling into communism/fascisim/etc.” screeching s been doing since they learned those worlds.
mothballed 1y ago
If you look at the groups brutalized by the government, including blacks, Hispanics, leftists, and peasents in central America, they all have something in common. They have far lower gun ownership rates than the less victimized groups like whites and the right. Now, maybe the guns didn't do anything either way, but the data correlates pretty strongly with the people with guns being brutalized less than the people without them. It certainly isn't leading to the conclusion you seem to be aiming at. Even the people in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising bought a few extra hours before getting gassed because of their (smuggled) guns. >>This is why people support the [1A], and why it was the [] most important thing to those who founded the country. >Yet the government has continuously taken more and more power for decades on end, and the [1st] amendment hasn’t stopped it. Ergo 1A advocates are larpers.
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