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My only beef with down votes is you often never know why. Maybe requiring a comment to downvote, or at least if you are the first to down vote a comment would

by dwd 1y ago

My only beef with down votes is you often never know why. Maybe requiring a comment to downvote, or at least if you are the first to down vote a comment would go a long way.

throw10920 1y ago
Piece of advice: I used to care more about downvotes, and was very upset when my comments got a "0" or "-1" next to them. Then I realized that they're just internet points that I'm unnecessarily attached to, and that seeing a downvote on my comment is just my pride being offended. This makes me way less upset about unjust downvotes - and, on average, it seems like I get more unjust upvotes (e.g. upvotes on comments that actually aren't substantial) than downvotes (those which I would say are justified). > at least if you are the first to down vote a comment This is actually a clever idea (that would avoid endless repetitions of the downvote reason) - I like it!
rkomorn 1y ago
I don't know how that doesn't immediately create new threads of arguing about why and whether something should be downvoted. - "Downvoted you because I found your comment rude to OP." - "How is calling them a cheese-hole-lover rude?! They said they love Swiss cheese and the more Swiss cheese you have, the more cheese holes you have, so they obviously love cheese holes!!"
- wakawaka28 1y ago
  Honestly I don't care about downvotes if I can at least downvote as well. When I've been on this site for months and made hundreds of killer comments, and the only reason I can't downvote yet is because I don't match the hive mind enough, it really pisses me off. Also, this creates an erroneous impression of which comments are good and which aren't. I reckon most users here have under 500 points or whatever and thus cannot downvote. If I had never been downvoted I'd probably have another thousand points on top of what I already have.
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    Honestly don't know what this has to do with my comment. Edit: I guess the topic is downvotes, sure, but I feel like your comment would be better made somewhere further up the comment chain where it's actually relevant.
    - wakawaka28 1y ago
      If I don't care about them (except for the indignity of getting downvoted by people I can't downvote) that implies I wouldn't get into a debate about the cause of the downvote. I might have intended to reply to a different comment at this level though, actually...
  - vacuity 1y ago
    In my own experience, I think I am not "match[ing] the hive mind", nor do I try to, and as such my karma growth is slow but not painfully so. I think that I've been treated more or less fairly. I think your downvotes mainly come on some of your political comments. Political threads are not great to begin with, and I think you're giving yourself some undue credit as to your participation to them. I commonly hear that HN leans liberal and whatnot, and that's probably true, but I wouldn't say that non-liberal (for severe lack of a better term) comments are necessarily dogpiled. I think many non-liberal comments that are downvoted here are done so for being in bad faith, because they may have a point but overextend their argument to other targets. I make it a point to not take sides and be critical of all opinions (of course I don't implement it perfectly), and I think I have been treated more or less fairly. I linked some political threads I participated in to demonstrate non-downvoted non-liberal comments. If some of my opinions are "liberal" and others are "conservative", I'll just say that I try to be fair and reasonable. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36523600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36653284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45573777 I only downvote people who I think are degrading the conversation who seem outlandishly wrong or off-topic. If I just disagree with someone, I may reply or not. It's reasonable to disagree on the basis of holding different values or beliefs.
    - wakawaka28 1y ago
wakawaka28 1y ago
I don't want to know why unless they have a viable counterargument and it isn't descending into a bunch of "nah uh" replies.

by dwd 1y ago

My only beef with down votes is you often never know why. Maybe requiring a comment to downvote, or at least if you are the first to down vote a comment would go a long way.

throw10920 1y ago

Piece of advice: I used to care more about downvotes, and was very upset when my comments got a "0" or "-1" next to them. Then I realized that they're just internet points that I'm unnecessarily attached to, and that seeing a downvote on my comment is just my pride being offended. This makes me way less upset about unjust downvotes - and, on average, it seems like I get more unjust upvotes (e.g. upvotes on comments that actually aren't substantial) than downvotes (those which I would say are justified). > at least if you are the first to down vote a comment This is actually a clever idea (that would avoid endless repetitions of the downvote reason) - I like it!

rkomorn 1y ago

I don't know how that doesn't immediately create new threads of arguing about why and whether something should be downvoted. - "Downvoted you because I found your comment rude to OP." - "How is calling them a cheese-hole-lover rude?! They said they love Swiss cheese and the more Swiss cheese you have, the more cheese holes you have, so they obviously love cheese holes!!"

wakawaka28 1y ago
Honestly I don't care about downvotes if I can at least downvote as well. When I've been on this site for months and made hundreds of killer comments, and the only reason I can't downvote yet is because I don't match the hive mind enough, it really pisses me off. Also, this creates an erroneous impression of which comments are good and which aren't. I reckon most users here have under 500 points or whatever and thus cannot downvote. If I had never been downvoted I'd probably have another thousand points on top of what I already have.
- rkomorn 1y ago
  Honestly don't know what this has to do with my comment. Edit: I guess the topic is downvotes, sure, but I feel like your comment would be better made somewhere further up the comment chain where it's actually relevant.
  - wakawaka28 1y ago
    If I don't care about them (except for the indignity of getting downvoted by people I can't downvote) that implies I wouldn't get into a debate about the cause of the downvote. I might have intended to reply to a different comment at this level though, actually...
- vacuity 1y ago
  In my own experience, I think I am not "match[ing] the hive mind", nor do I try to, and as such my karma growth is slow but not painfully so. I think that I've been treated more or less fairly. I think your downvotes mainly come on some of your political comments. Political threads are not great to begin with, and I think you're giving yourself some undue credit as to your participation to them. I commonly hear that HN leans liberal and whatnot, and that's probably true, but I wouldn't say that non-liberal (for severe lack of a better term) comments are necessarily dogpiled. I think many non-liberal comments that are downvoted here are done so for being in bad faith, because they may have a point but overextend their argument to other targets. I make it a point to not take sides and be critical of all opinions (of course I don't implement it perfectly), and I think I have been treated more or less fairly. I linked some political threads I participated in to demonstrate non-downvoted non-liberal comments. If some of my opinions are "liberal" and others are "conservative", I'll just say that I try to be fair and reasonable. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36523600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36653284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45573777 I only downvote people who I think are degrading the conversation who seem outlandishly wrong or off-topic. If I just disagree with someone, I may reply or not. It's reasonable to disagree on the basis of holding different values or beliefs.
  - wakawaka28 1y ago

wakawaka28 1y ago

I don't want to know why unless they have a viable counterargument and it isn't descending into a bunch of "nah uh" replies.