I think you're arguing a different matter. I don't have a strong view on a federated European model or the primacy of nation states. By the time that can happen

I think you're arguing a different matter. I don't have a strong view on a federated European model or the primacy of nation states. By the time that can happen I'll be dead, I'm not as oppositional as you are, it's close to religion to me, ie not worth arguing about because it comes to beliefs fast.