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> then they could ship with filters enabled All mobile network connections already come with content filters enabled in the UK, adult or not, and has to be exp

> then they could ship with filters enabled All mobile network connections already come with content filters enabled in the UK, adult or not, and has to be explicitly disabled.

crtasm 1y ago
Yes but to be clear, using wifi or a VPN can bypass that. It's not an on-device filter.
- alias_neo 1y ago
  Yes absolutely. It's at the service provider level.
- array_key_first 1y ago
  Yes but wifi costs money - only adults have wifi. It's effectively already age restricted.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    Is this a joke or reference I'm missing?
    - array_key_first 1y ago
      No it's not a joke at all. When you buy wifi, they already make sure you're an adult. They ask for proof of residence, you sign a contract. Children cannot buy wifi. Go ahead and try - no ISP is going to write a contract with a child. Wifi, like tobacco and alcohol, is already age restricted. The problem is the adults buying it then turn around and just... Hand it to children. That's not the fault of the law or society. Like, okay the store clerk might make sure when I buy a pack of menthols I'm of age. But if I just go home and hand my kid the pack of menthols, all bets are off. That's not the store clerks problem, he can't and won't get in trouble for that. Parents and establishments are being stupid here. Same applies for public wifi. Don't want kids to use it? Okay, give it a password, only tell the password to adults. Easy peasy. The law can't stop parents from being stupid.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        > But if I just go home and hand my kid the pack of menthols, all bets are off. That's not the store clerks problem, he can't and won't get in trouble for that. But it is society's problem, and within society's capacity to attempt to manage. https://www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/you-your-body/drugs-alcohol-smoking/smoking/ https://www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/you-your-body/drugs... says it's illegal to give a child cigarettes, and the cops can confiscate them if you're 16 or below. > The law can't stop parents from being stupid. Sure, but reality also often means smart, caring parents still can't stop kids from... being kids. I've lived in places where half a dozen public wifi hotspots were available; even if I didn't, chances are I'd have to let my kids on wifi for homework, on computers I don't have admin rights to because they come from the school. They can't go sign up for a new internet plan, but that's hardly required.
        array_key_first 1y ago
        > But it is society's problem, and within society's capacity to attempt to manage. Sure, to an extent, but not really: we give parents a lot of freedom here. > Sure, but reality also often means smart, caring parents still can't stop kids from... being kids. I've lived in places where half a dozen public wifi hotspots were available; even if I didn't, chances are I'd have to let my kids on wifi for homework, on computers I don't have admin rights to because they come from the school. Okay, then lock down those networks. We don't need to lockdown the Internet as a whole. In reality, most of those networks already are locked down. Try searching up porn on, say, hotel wifi, it won't work. We already have the solution.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > Try searching up porn on, say, hotel wifi, it won't work. I… very much doubt that.
        array_key_first 1y ago
        What? Why are you doubting that? I can't even search for porn on cellular networks and I'm in the US. Hotels, Starbucks, my job, the library - they all block porn. The idea that kids just have free access to a wild internet is legitimately made up. Schools block that stuff too - universities, even. As I've said, this solution is not solving this problem because this problem legitimately does not exist. It's solving a different problem. What that problem is, is for you to find out.

> then they could ship with filters enabled All mobile network connections already come with content filters enabled in the UK, adult or not, and has to be explicitly disabled.

crtasm 1y ago

Yes but to be clear, using wifi or a VPN can bypass that. It's not an on-device filter.

alias_neo 1y ago
Yes absolutely. It's at the service provider level.
array_key_first 1y ago
Yes but wifi costs money - only adults have wifi. It's effectively already age restricted.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Is this a joke or reference I'm missing?
  - array_key_first 1y ago
    No it's not a joke at all. When you buy wifi, they already make sure you're an adult. They ask for proof of residence, you sign a contract. Children cannot buy wifi. Go ahead and try - no ISP is going to write a contract with a child. Wifi, like tobacco and alcohol, is already age restricted. The problem is the adults buying it then turn around and just... Hand it to children. That's not the fault of the law or society. Like, okay the store clerk might make sure when I buy a pack of menthols I'm of age. But if I just go home and hand my kid the pack of menthols, all bets are off. That's not the store clerks problem, he can't and won't get in trouble for that. Parents and establishments are being stupid here. Same applies for public wifi. Don't want kids to use it? Okay, give it a password, only tell the password to adults. Easy peasy. The law can't stop parents from being stupid.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      > But if I just go home and hand my kid the pack of menthols, all bets are off. That's not the store clerks problem, he can't and won't get in trouble for that. But it is society's problem, and within society's capacity to attempt to manage. https://www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/you-your-body/drugs-alcohol-smoking/smoking/ https://www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/you-your-body/drugs... says it's illegal to give a child cigarettes, and the cops can confiscate them if you're 16 or below. > The law can't stop parents from being stupid. Sure, but reality also often means smart, caring parents still can't stop kids from... being kids. I've lived in places where half a dozen public wifi hotspots were available; even if I didn't, chances are I'd have to let my kids on wifi for homework, on computers I don't have admin rights to because they come from the school. They can't go sign up for a new internet plan, but that's hardly required.
      - array_key_first 1y ago
        > But it is society's problem, and within society's capacity to attempt to manage. Sure, to an extent, but not really: we give parents a lot of freedom here. > Sure, but reality also often means smart, caring parents still can't stop kids from... being kids. I've lived in places where half a dozen public wifi hotspots were available; even if I didn't, chances are I'd have to let my kids on wifi for homework, on computers I don't have admin rights to because they come from the school. Okay, then lock down those networks. We don't need to lockdown the Internet as a whole. In reality, most of those networks already are locked down. Try searching up porn on, say, hotel wifi, it won't work. We already have the solution.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > Try searching up porn on, say, hotel wifi, it won't work. I… very much doubt that.
        array_key_first 1y ago
        What? Why are you doubting that? I can't even search for porn on cellular networks and I'm in the US. Hotels, Starbucks, my job, the library - they all block porn. The idea that kids just have free access to a wild internet is legitimately made up. Schools block that stuff too - universities, even. As I've said, this solution is not solving this problem because this problem legitimately does not exist. It's solving a different problem. What that problem is, is for you to find out.