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I always thought it was funny that for my entire lifetime people have talked about Arizona being perfect for fabs because it's dry there and not subject to trem
by itsnowandnever 1y ago
I always thought it was funny that for my entire lifetime people have talked about Arizona being perfect for fabs because it's dry there and not subject to tremors meanwhile Taiwan where 60% of all chips are produced (and 90% of the most sensitive ones) is tropical and has earthquakes fairly frequently.
- ansk 1y agoI can only imagine what the Taiwanese can do in Arizona. Truly a synergy for the ages.
- foobarian 1y agoMaybe that's why yields there are better? [1] [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/tsmc-arizona-fab-delivers-4-percent-more-yield-than-comparable-facilities-in-taiwan https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ts...
- dwd 1y agoOnce you're in a air-conditioned environment the outside world doesn't matter. More likely he compared the 4nm yield to the 3nm yield in Taiwan?
- eru 1y agoThe moisture of the outside world might not matter. But aircon doesn't protect you from earthquakes, alas.
- Gracana 1y agoYep, you need to install a ground conditioner for that.
- high_na_euv 1y agoSo, how many earthquakes there were?
- eru 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Tainan%E2%80%93Chiayi_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Tainan%E2%80%93Chiayi_ear... has a recent example. Google or your favourite LLM can easily give you more or even a complete list of earthquakes in Taiwan.
- high_na_euv 1y agoI meant this part of USA
- coliveira 1y agoWhy do you think the Chinese people from Taiwan want to do anything in Arizona? They're there just to placate the orange guy's rage. They'll never do anything special there.
- _carbyau_ 1y agoThen why would nations around the world protect Taiwan?
- dluan 1y agoChina Airlines recently opened a new direct flight route between Taoyuan and Phoenix. They've been plastering it all over their plane signage. I thought it was funny that the flight must be pretty empty other than the handful of TSMC employees that need to go there.
- khuey 1y agoApparently China Airlines and Starlux are both going to fly that route next year. I have a hard time imagining there's demand for one let alone both.
- sam_goody 1y agoPhoenix is the fifth largest city in the United States. It is also one of the major hubs of the west, being in a good location (midway north), having good weather for planes, and having America West headquartered there. I would think there should be plenty of traffic going through there to Taiwan, similar to the amount going through a hub such as Chicago or NY.
- dangus 1y agoFrom Wikipedia: PHX was the 11th-busiest airport in the United States in terms of passenger boardings and 35rd-busiest in the world in 2024. The airport serves as a hub for American Airlines and a base for Frontier Airlines and Southwest Airlines.
- iszomer 1y agoFYI to all: China Airlines is a Taiwanese company (ROC) and has no affiliation with mainland China (PRC).
- dluan 1y agoEarlier this year Eva Air also announced a direct route to Dallas, supposedly starting next month. At the time I felt like it was a tariff negotiation tactic because that one also does not make sense.
- hshdhdhehd 1y agoMaybe chaos monkeys help innovation
- nebula8804 1y agoChaos monkey yes...but more like desperation for survival. Its the same mentality that drives Israel. As been shown a few times, it mutates into a sick culture with unintended consequences...but obviously it does produce results.
- tonyhart7 1y ago"death river strategy"
- fortzi 1y agoTell us more about your insights, as a clueless outsider
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- myth_drannon 1y agoYou as a Chinese bot, is obviously very familiar with sick cultures coming from one.
- leptons 1y agoSemiconductor fabs require a significant amount of water, with some large facilities consuming up to 10 million gallons of ultrapure water daily. Water is something Arizona is lacking.
- tom_alexander 1y agoI thought these days the fabs in water-scarce areas collect their waste water. re-purify it, and re-use it. So their actual drain on outside water sources is far lower. > It will initially have a water recycling rate of around 85 percent, with a goal to achieve 90 percent. Currently, the company’s water resource center has an efficiency rate of 65 percent, converting industrial wastewater for use in the company's operations. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/tsmc-breaks-ground-on-water-reclamation-project-in-phoenix-arizona/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/tsmc-breaks-groun...