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> consistently found Gemini to be better than ChatGPT, Claude and Deepseek I used Pro Mode in ChatGPT since it was available, and tried Claude, Gemini, Deepsee

> consistently found Gemini to be better than ChatGPT, Claude and Deepseek I used Pro Mode in ChatGPT since it was available, and tried Claude, Gemini, Deepseek and more from time to time, but none of them ever get close to Pro Mode, it's just insanely better than everything. So when I hear people comparing "X to ChatGPT", are you testing against the best ChatGPT has to offer, or are you comparing it to "Auto" and calling it a day? I understand people not testing their favorite models against Pro Mode as it's kind of expensive, but it would really help if people actually gave some more concrete information when they say "I've tried all the models, and X is best!". (I mainly do web dev, UI and UX myself too)

jmkni 1y ago
well I'm giving them the exact same prompts and comparing the output
SweetSoftPillow 1y ago
It seems you also did not compare ChatGPT to the best offers of the competitors, as you did not mention Gemini Deepthink mode which is Google's alternative to GPT's Pro mode.
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  > It seems you also did not compare ChatGPT to the best offers of the competitors I am, continuously, and have been since ChatGPT Pro appeared.
- CamperBob2 1y ago
  TBH, I always forget that Deepthink is even an option. It's powerful, but not exactly conspicuous.
- oneredoak 1y ago
  I find Gemini Deep Think to be unbelievably underrated. In my testing, it consistently comes out far ahead of any other model or harness (for system architecture debugging, coming up with excellent YouTube title and hook ideas, etc). You can through a ton of context at it, and Deep Think's attention to detail is excellent. My only exceptions being Sonnet 4.5 / Codex for code implementation, and Deep Research for anything requiring a ton of web searches.
lxgr 1y ago
Yeah, ChatGPT “auto”, at least when it ends up routing to gpt-5-chat, is a slopfest. I discounted gpt-5 early on due to that experience. Now I have my model selector permanently on “Thinking”. (I don’t even know what type of questions I’d ask the non-thinking one.)

jmkni 1y ago

well I'm giving them the exact same prompts and comparing the output

SweetSoftPillow 1y ago

It seems you also did not compare ChatGPT to the best offers of the competitors, as you did not mention Gemini Deepthink mode which is Google's alternative to GPT's Pro mode.

CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
> It seems you also did not compare ChatGPT to the best offers of the competitors I am, continuously, and have been since ChatGPT Pro appeared.
CamperBob2 1y ago
TBH, I always forget that Deepthink is even an option. It's powerful, but not exactly conspicuous.
oneredoak 1y ago
I find Gemini Deep Think to be unbelievably underrated. In my testing, it consistently comes out far ahead of any other model or harness (for system architecture debugging, coming up with excellent YouTube title and hook ideas, etc). You can through a ton of context at it, and Deep Think's attention to detail is excellent. My only exceptions being Sonnet 4.5 / Codex for code implementation, and Deep Research for anything requiring a ton of web searches.

lxgr 1y ago

Yeah, ChatGPT “auto”, at least when it ends up routing to gpt-5-chat, is a slopfest. I discounted gpt-5 early on due to that experience. Now I have my model selector permanently on “Thinking”. (I don’t even know what type of questions I’d ask the non-thinking one.)