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Codex Is Live in Zed
- mosselman 1y agoI'd wish a better model or system would go live for the inline suggestions. The Zed ones are so trash compared to Cursor's it is just laughable. An example is that when I have a module like Namespace::SuperAbcModule in a file at namespace/super_abc_module.rb and I rename the file to namespace/super_module.rb, Cursor will immediately suggest to change the module name to `Namespace::SuperModule`, Zed won't. Also Cursor will suggest updates to lines throughout a file whereas Zed sometimes doesn't even look ahead 1-2 lines. Having Claude Code and Codex built into the sidebar is hardly better than having them running in a terminal. I wish they'd invested all this time and effort improving the inline suggestions.
- hiccuphippo 1y agoWhy is that something AI has to do? PhpStorm does this, without Ai, since forever ago. And updates references everywhere, even inside strings or doc comments.
- mosselman 1y agoFirstly, I don't care what tech does this, as long as I can get good suggestions. Secondly, it was just one example that came to me from comparing this the other day. You could compile a long list of examples where Cursor gives better completions than Zed does.
- f311a 1y agoIt's better to learn the tools that you are using. Renaming is part of LSP servers and Zed has no control over them. They are unique for each language. Using AI for this is a waste of resources, especially when renaming affects tens of files. It's not reliable, slow and not determenstic.
- pollinations 1y agoThey were just giving that as an example that Zed's inline suggestions aren't very good for basic tasks. There are hundreds of othersmall tasks like this that can't be handled by the language server.
- neutronicus 1y agoYes, elsewhere in this thread someone is complaining about lousy C# language server performance relative to IDEs. These swiss-army-knife programmer's editors will always be at a semantic language tooling disadvantage relative to IDEs. I know that days of yak-shaving with LSP and emacs only gets me to a janky imitation of Visual Studio/XCode semantic search on my C++ work codebase. "Fuck it, let an LLM auto-complete based on vibes" has some appeal when you just get sick of trying to arm-wrestle clangd into ... whatever XCode or Visual Studio are doing to have functional semantic search across the project. Although I have to say LLMs were a disaster at vibe-auto-completing in VSCode. So I mostly stick with semantic search in the IDE and editing in emacs like I always have.
- _neil 1y agoAgreed. Zed is my daily driver and I love it, but the autocomplete is not good. I end up disabling AI altogether.
- spartanatreyu 1y agoProbably for the best. It's human nature to start trusting AI suggestions just because they look good enough without actually checking them. That's going to lead to massive issues down the line the more it goes on. Snippets are more useful. If you're doing something repetitive, a vetted snippet does wonders. Learning how to make your own snippets with appropriate tab stops is a seriously underrated skill. High competence in regex search-and-replace, multi-cursor, and snippets is an amazing combination.
- rpearl 1y agoI otherwise like Zed way more than the vscode-derivatives but yeah, the edit predictions are just not even close. And it's laggier feeling despite the lower quality.
- ChadMoran 1y agoThis is what holds me back from Zed.
- WD-42 1y agoRight click on the file in the project tree -> rename will rename references. Or in the code right click -> rename symbol. Not sure why you need to bring AI into it.
- johnfn 1y agoYes, why just hit tab for everything when you can memorize 50 context dependent keyboard shortcuts?
- kodisha 1y agoYup true, replying to increase visibility in case Zed team is looking at this post. Love the editor otherwise.
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- 8n4vidtmkvmk 1y agoThat doesn't sound like it needs AI. JetBrains was doing that before the AI wave.
- JustFinishedBSG 1y agoWhile your example is not AI related (should be handled by the LSP integration with "Rename Symbol") I agree that Zed's Next Edit Prediction model is *extremely* subpar. Imho they should either scrap it and just work on having a good integration story with third party models for the next edit (and maybe propose by default a partner model I don't know) or invest a lot more efforts into it. But currently I sadly have to say the model's "help" is often a net negative.
- kwkelly 1y agoImproved inline suggestions are under way if you search the PRs on GitHub for zeta2. You can also bring your own edit prediction provider by configuring copilot or supermaven. Codestral edit predictions were merged last week
- rhodysurf 1y agoYour downvoted but this is the worst part of using zed today and i really hope they can come up with a solution
- aaronSong 1y agoIs it just a GUI service for codex?
- aaronSong 1y agoI like how it integrated it
- JamesSwift 1y agoZed has a generic interface to agents (ACP). This is a bridge between the ACP api and the codex api so that it integrates cleanly inside Zed in mostly the same way the other non-codex supported agents do
- sreekanth850 1y agoProduct video is more saying about the FPS.
- furyofantares 1y agoI watched the video in the linked post and I don't think it said anything about the FPS.
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- bicx 1y agoCool. If Zed supported git worktree diff highlighting, I'd be using it.
- LVB 1y agoWhat do you mean exactly? Diffs between multiple worktrees? I've found the current diff view fairly useful.
- bicx 1y agoA git worktree directory contains a .git that just references the original directory’s .git, and Zed doesn’t support this configuration. So, there just isn’t any representation of change tracking when working in a worktree directory.
- LVB 1y agoGotcha. Is there a request in for this? The team seems incredibly productive (I'm sometimes offered multiple updates per day), and my completely uninformed and naive take is that this probably wouldn't be too big of a lift, relative to the stuff I'm seeing them ship regularly.
- bicx 1y agoYes, there’s a GitHub request with many upvoted comments. Your naive take is also my naive take.
- CjHuber 1y agoFor me it's the missing Jupyter support that's preventing me from switching
- gabeidx 1y agoThat would be an interesting plugin to write… Their extensions API is still a bit lacking, but Jupyter support in the style of vscode should be possible with the current capabilities.
- bradgessler 1y agoI love that this was completely overshadowed by "Zed works in Windows!" This team ships so much that if they sold an LTS product, it means they'd support the release for 24 hours.
- the_duke 1y agoLet's hope agent CLIs adopt the ACP protocol, instead of having to do hacky shims.
- chandureddyvari 1y agoCan someone help me understand the pricing of zed? $10 per month- $5 credits for AI credits. This credits can be used for claude code / codex inside zed or should I manage different api keys for codex/claude code?
- tecoholic 1y agoThere are 2 modes of operation - an editor AI mode and a dedicated agent mode. For the agent mode like Claude Code or Codex, you don’t have to pay Zed, only the CLI tool providers. The zed subscription is for those who don’t want to deal with AI vendors, cli tools etc., and just use it in the editor
- mrasong 1y agoKeeping data out of Zed’s servers and letting users handle OpenAI billing is a smart trust move—too many tools bury those details, which erodes confidence fast.
- ipsum2 1y agoThis person's entire comment history is AI generated.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoNot enough fluff, too short. Emdashes aren't a confident indicator of AI.
- replete 1y agoBecause they use emdashes?
- pixel_popping 1y agoBecause it's obvious.
- mrasong 1y agoSorry, I did indeed use AI, the main reason being that my subject is not in English, so I had AI help adjust it appropriately. (This is a direct translation through Google Translate.)
- Dowwie 1y agoCan we use codex for edit predictions?
- ryukoposting 1y agoI'd like to know this. I really like Zed, but their paid AI thing is terrible at inline suggestions, at least for my use cases. At least Copilot's C was coherent, even if it was wrong all the time.
- d4rkp4ttern 1y agoZed is incredibly snappy to open projects and search files but very basic functions like auto-complete (at least in Python and markdown) are still terrible, nowhere close to IntelliJ/Pycharm. Or maybe there is a very specific settings.json incantation that I am missing.
- ktosobcy 1y ago"hot take": it's snappy to open (open project) but it's mostly due to severely lacking any serious fuctionality besides showing the file... :/
- ccanassa 1y agoThat's why I still use two editors: IntelliJ for when doing "serious" work and Sublime when I need to edit random files or a huge JSON. I don't need anything in between.
- d4rkp4ttern 1y agoPretty much! I have like 5 zed windows open to quickly see files. And a pycharm window to actually be productive.
- johnfn 1y agoI’d like to know any IDE that rivals Pycharm for Python autocomplete quality. (I am genuinely curious, because I would prefer not to use Pycharm.) My understanding is that Jetbrains rolled their own LSP and no one else has yet matched it in quality. Though I don’t understand what you mean by markdown autocomplete.
- d4rkp4ttern 1y agoI meant basic text suggestions. I often write markdown documents inside an IDE to leverage the ai-suggestions.
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- mcjiggerlog 1y agoI tried it out this morning and it felt really rough, unfortunately. It was super slow (thought I think that applies to CLI Codex too), it wasn't outputting any text explaining what it was trying to achieve, and it started off down a path that made no sense. Claude Code in Zed has some rough edges but it's at least usable. In terms of GUI agents, Cursor is still a lot nicer experience, IMO. Though I do still prefer just using Claude Code cli, personally.
- JamesSwift 1y agoI have been using a handrolled integration in zed for codex and that is really slow compared to claude code. I think its just the nature of the codex beast.
- suminjs 1y agoThe speed at which this team ships is genuinely insane. I'm already expecting the next blog post to say "We've added fully native support for the M3 Max, Windows, and a built-in neural net for generating feature flag names. Oh, and here's the Zed 1.0 release candidate.
- lukaslalinsky 1y agoAs much as I like this initiative (I'm a Zed user), what is available in the UI as Claude Code is not really Claude Code. It's extremely limited in terms of context management, for example. ACP is reducing these tools to some shared functionality, but that makes them less useful.