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Can you explain more? What became less exciting and why exactly?

alberth 1y ago
It just felt like momentum slowed and/or there was less PR about Elixir/Phoenix. But I could be completely wrong (or have the wrong perception). Note: not at all suggesting hardwork/progress isn't being made.
- dsiegel2275 1y ago
  I've been developing full-time in Elixir / Phoenix for the last 6 years. I can assure you, momentum in the ecosystem has not slowed at all since the language was declared to be "feature complete".
- bluehatbrit 1y ago
  The pace of new things coming to the ecosystem hasn't slowed at all, but it's happening beyond the language itself now. Just look at projects like Nx, LiveBook, Explorer, Flame, and Nerves. All are making big steps forward and releasing new and interesting things. As someone who uses the stack daily this is really wonderful. In the elixir world you just don't really have the problem where two tools don't work well together because they're built around very different versions of the language and runtime. I can pick up any elixir based tool and knowledge I can slot it into my tool chain or project and it'll just work. To me this is even more exciting because it suggests a stable foundation, and makes it easy to adopt new developments. But I appreciate those projects aren't discussed as much on HN.
- bargainbin 1y ago
  In your defence, the choice of wording is confusing and that particular announcement did have a sense of “game over”ness to it. But the intent was to say that Elixir as it stands from a paradigm perspective is done, but the existing features and runtime will still be improved. Which as someone with many years in .NET, I can appreciate. I showed a friend who used C# since the first beta, who’s been hands off for over half a decade now, some modern C# code, and he could not believe what he was seeing. Much like I can’t believe what I’m seeing when I review a C# code base and have no idea what flavour du jour the developers decided to write it with and how I have to frame the program in my mind to understand it. Compared to Elixir, which just looks like Elixir has always looked, and does what you expect.
- sergiotapia 1y ago
  Elixir and Phoenix are as big as they ever will be. Around 25% of the size of the Rails "mindshare". But still I love the Elixir stack to death, it's so wonderful. The one big thing they got cooking are types. Maybe that's enough to bring it to more people. Just make peace with the fact that it's around 25% the size of Rails market.

It just felt like momentum slowed and/or there was less PR about Elixir/Phoenix. But I could be completely wrong (or have the wrong perception). Note: not at all suggesting hardwork/progress isn't being made.

dsiegel2275 1y ago
I've been developing full-time in Elixir / Phoenix for the last 6 years. I can assure you, momentum in the ecosystem has not slowed at all since the language was declared to be "feature complete".
bluehatbrit 1y ago
The pace of new things coming to the ecosystem hasn't slowed at all, but it's happening beyond the language itself now. Just look at projects like Nx, LiveBook, Explorer, Flame, and Nerves. All are making big steps forward and releasing new and interesting things. As someone who uses the stack daily this is really wonderful. In the elixir world you just don't really have the problem where two tools don't work well together because they're built around very different versions of the language and runtime. I can pick up any elixir based tool and knowledge I can slot it into my tool chain or project and it'll just work. To me this is even more exciting because it suggests a stable foundation, and makes it easy to adopt new developments. But I appreciate those projects aren't discussed as much on HN.
bargainbin 1y ago
In your defence, the choice of wording is confusing and that particular announcement did have a sense of “game over”ness to it. But the intent was to say that Elixir as it stands from a paradigm perspective is done, but the existing features and runtime will still be improved. Which as someone with many years in .NET, I can appreciate. I showed a friend who used C# since the first beta, who’s been hands off for over half a decade now, some modern C# code, and he could not believe what he was seeing. Much like I can’t believe what I’m seeing when I review a C# code base and have no idea what flavour du jour the developers decided to write it with and how I have to frame the program in my mind to understand it. Compared to Elixir, which just looks like Elixir has always looked, and does what you expect.
sergiotapia 1y ago
Elixir and Phoenix are as big as they ever will be. Around 25% of the size of the Rails "mindshare". But still I love the Elixir stack to death, it's so wonderful. The one big thing they got cooking are types. Maybe that's enough to bring it to more people. Just make peace with the fact that it's around 25% the size of Rails market.