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The Mission is to make enough money to keep existing.

by teekert 1y ago

acka 1y ago
GNU Emacs doesn't make money, yet it exists. And yes, it contains a web browser. You can launch it using `M-x eww RET`.
- chaboud 1y ago
  I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Emacs is a spreadsheet, photo editor, toaster oven, or hair stylist. For the right people, it’s a desert-island app.
  - kirito1337 1y ago
    So Do I. EMACS is multi
- randmeerkat 1y ago
  GNU Emacs actually self funds from the essence of the universe. You can launch that feature with the command `C-x b r r r`
squidbeak 1y ago
If it pisses off the people who use it, its existence will be irrelevant.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  "Nooooo, you need to use FF no matter how much it pisses you off, since we can't let Google be a monopoly (even though it already is and it's the government's job to crack down monopolies)"
  - franga2000 1y ago
    You put that in italics and quotes, presumably to mock the people saying this but...yes, you should! Google does much worse things and is effectively a monopolist, so not using Firefox necessarily means using Google, which only entrenches their monopoly further. Bitch at Mozilla, sure, but don't stop using it.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      >...yes, you should! Why? They're actively hostile to me as a user and nor catering to my needs and desires. >Google does much worse things and is effectively a monopolist Monopolies are the government's job to tackle so talk to your representative about Google, but leave suers alone to use what they like. When cars polluted we had the government force them to lower emission, not shamed users for buying cars. >Bitch at Mozilla, sure, but don't stop using it. How is bitching more effective tool than not using a product I dislike? Not using their product is my only way of protest as that shows in their statistics and analytics while they can and do ignore bitching. Mozilla is a major corporation not a 15 year old with cancer sewing Knick-Knacks for donations in his bedroom, so it will only improve if the user base goes elsewhere, otherwise if people keep using it out of spite, they have no reason to ever improve.
      - glenstein 1y ago
        I think you're overstating the hostility relative to what an average user might say (biased pro-firefox user myself but I don't take their browser imperfections as active hostility). And yeah, despite your protestations to the contrary, not wanting one company to have a browser monopoly really is a legitimate reason to support alternatives. In fact it's one of the best reasons. That's the problem with ridicule detached from reasons, you're going to look down like Wile E. Coyote and see there's no ground under you. I'd love for real conversation about, say, keeping Servo, Web Assembly, the fallacy of "privacy preserving ads", how it would be nice to have a Firefox OS now with Android forcing "verified developers", about working with EFF to keep open standards and privacy at the center of the web. There's a rich conversation to be had about the role of Mozilla in the future of the internet, but incredulity and vague generalizations should be left back in the writer's room at Warner Bros.
  - vee-kay 1y ago
    Did you know.. Mozilla get >80% of its revenue from Google, by making Google Search as default search engine on Firefox. While Mozilla pretends to be a non-profit, its CEO makes millions of dollars annually. Mitchell Baker: Stepped down as CEO of Mozilla in February 2024. Her salary for 2023 was reported to be $6.9 million. Laura Chambers: Became interim CEO of Mozilla in February 2024. Mozilla has not disclosed her salary for 2024 yet. As of October 2025, the average annual salary for employees at Mozilla in the United States is ~$115k. Not bad for a "non-profit", eh? Yup, Mozilla and Firefox are surviving (nay, thriving) due to Google. But Google's hand on the Mozilla tiller, is merely the top of the proverbial iceberg. Google has a monopoly on the browser market, encouraged by Apple Safari slipping down to <14% market share amongst the leading browsers. Google's Chrome (>71% market share) and the other Chromium forks (>9% market share: Edge ~4.5%, Samsung Internet Browser ~2%, Brave/Vivaldi/etc. ~1%) dominate the browser market. Opera (~1.75% market share) is not a Chromium fork, but it is based on Chromium Project. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/ https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/
    - thunderfork 1y ago
      [dead]
pluto_modadic 1y ago
Firefox shouldn't try to "be chrome", people who want chrome just use that. Firefox should be /not chrome/.

The Mission is to make enough money to keep existing.

acka 1y ago

GNU Emacs doesn't make money, yet it exists. And yes, it contains a web browser. You can launch it using `M-x eww RET`.

chaboud 1y ago
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Emacs is a spreadsheet, photo editor, toaster oven, or hair stylist. For the right people, it’s a desert-island app.
- kirito1337 1y ago
  So Do I. EMACS is multi
randmeerkat 1y ago
GNU Emacs actually self funds from the essence of the universe. You can launch that feature with the command `C-x b r r r`

squidbeak 1y ago

If it pisses off the people who use it, its existence will be irrelevant.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
"Nooooo, you need to use FF no matter how much it pisses you off, since we can't let Google be a monopoly (even though it already is and it's the government's job to crack down monopolies)"
- franga2000 1y ago
  You put that in italics and quotes, presumably to mock the people saying this but...yes, you should! Google does much worse things and is effectively a monopolist, so not using Firefox necessarily means using Google, which only entrenches their monopoly further. Bitch at Mozilla, sure, but don't stop using it.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    >...yes, you should! Why? They're actively hostile to me as a user and nor catering to my needs and desires. >Google does much worse things and is effectively a monopolist Monopolies are the government's job to tackle so talk to your representative about Google, but leave suers alone to use what they like. When cars polluted we had the government force them to lower emission, not shamed users for buying cars. >Bitch at Mozilla, sure, but don't stop using it. How is bitching more effective tool than not using a product I dislike? Not using their product is my only way of protest as that shows in their statistics and analytics while they can and do ignore bitching. Mozilla is a major corporation not a 15 year old with cancer sewing Knick-Knacks for donations in his bedroom, so it will only improve if the user base goes elsewhere, otherwise if people keep using it out of spite, they have no reason to ever improve.
    - glenstein 1y ago
      I think you're overstating the hostility relative to what an average user might say (biased pro-firefox user myself but I don't take their browser imperfections as active hostility). And yeah, despite your protestations to the contrary, not wanting one company to have a browser monopoly really is a legitimate reason to support alternatives. In fact it's one of the best reasons. That's the problem with ridicule detached from reasons, you're going to look down like Wile E. Coyote and see there's no ground under you. I'd love for real conversation about, say, keeping Servo, Web Assembly, the fallacy of "privacy preserving ads", how it would be nice to have a Firefox OS now with Android forcing "verified developers", about working with EFF to keep open standards and privacy at the center of the web. There's a rich conversation to be had about the role of Mozilla in the future of the internet, but incredulity and vague generalizations should be left back in the writer's room at Warner Bros.
- vee-kay 1y ago
  Did you know.. Mozilla get >80% of its revenue from Google, by making Google Search as default search engine on Firefox. While Mozilla pretends to be a non-profit, its CEO makes millions of dollars annually. Mitchell Baker: Stepped down as CEO of Mozilla in February 2024. Her salary for 2023 was reported to be $6.9 million. Laura Chambers: Became interim CEO of Mozilla in February 2024. Mozilla has not disclosed her salary for 2024 yet. As of October 2025, the average annual salary for employees at Mozilla in the United States is ~$115k. Not bad for a "non-profit", eh? Yup, Mozilla and Firefox are surviving (nay, thriving) due to Google. But Google's hand on the Mozilla tiller, is merely the top of the proverbial iceberg. Google has a monopoly on the browser market, encouraged by Apple Safari slipping down to <14% market share amongst the leading browsers. Google's Chrome (>71% market share) and the other Chromium forks (>9% market share: Edge ~4.5%, Samsung Internet Browser ~2%, Brave/Vivaldi/etc. ~1%) dominate the browser market. Opera (~1.75% market share) is not a Chromium fork, but it is based on Chromium Project. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/ https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/
  - thunderfork 1y ago
    [dead]

pluto_modadic 1y ago

Firefox shouldn't try to "be chrome", people who want chrome just use that. Firefox should be /not chrome/.