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I am curious how much longer NextJS will last considering it is a lock-in vehicle for Vercel. However as far back as I can recall it’s shift onto the dev stack

I am curious how much longer NextJS will last considering it is a lock-in vehicle for Vercel. However as far back as I can recall it’s shift onto the dev stack was less about “is it a good framework” and more about “this framework can help Product org prototype faster”. With the advent of Llms, will Product org even care about the dev speed for prototyping?

agos 1y ago
the sentiment around NextJS is terrible, I have rarely seen something go from "oh this might be cool" to "stop pushing this badly engineering crap on me" so quickly. Yes, it's widely used and that's to be expected given the amount of money spent in promoting it, but it's not loved by any mean and I see this as a fatal flaw that they'll have to reckon with sooner or later. It's so bad that it worsened React's reputation by association - React already had some issues to care about, but they went in Next's direction, and people have noticed
Exoristos 1y ago
There's absolutely no reason to use Vercel. I've always run Next on our own servers, for multiple clients and some very complex projects. Page Router or App Router.
- righthand 1y ago
  Ironically I choose to deploy our nextjs projects on Vercel because interacting with our inhouse stack means involving an infrastructure person who wants to critique and research how you’re developing your app. With Vercel I can just deploy a project and don’t have to ask Steve what the best set of server tools I need and then work with Steve on the monolith of Kubernetes configs to get it deployed. And while I like Steve, adding him to a project is a huge time sink and cost center all it’s own. Even if I get platform access to self serve, Steve will be there gating me for every little permission I need. I hope you at least let devs deploy on whatever stack instantly with new projects and services with something selfserve-y like (Vercel/Heroku/etc).
  - Exoristos 1y ago
    We have a bias toward devs who know what they're doing.
    - righthand 1y ago
      > who know what they're doing. Who know what they’re doing on your custom stack or who enjoy the 5 meetings it takes to get a basic yaml config setup for a db+mostly static site?
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agos 1y ago

the sentiment around NextJS is terrible, I have rarely seen something go from "oh this might be cool" to "stop pushing this badly engineering crap on me" so quickly. Yes, it's widely used and that's to be expected given the amount of money spent in promoting it, but it's not loved by any mean and I see this as a fatal flaw that they'll have to reckon with sooner or later. It's so bad that it worsened React's reputation by association - React already had some issues to care about, but they went in Next's direction, and people have noticed

Exoristos 1y ago

There's absolutely no reason to use Vercel. I've always run Next on our own servers, for multiple clients and some very complex projects. Page Router or App Router.

righthand 1y ago
Ironically I choose to deploy our nextjs projects on Vercel because interacting with our inhouse stack means involving an infrastructure person who wants to critique and research how you’re developing your app. With Vercel I can just deploy a project and don’t have to ask Steve what the best set of server tools I need and then work with Steve on the monolith of Kubernetes configs to get it deployed. And while I like Steve, adding him to a project is a huge time sink and cost center all it’s own. Even if I get platform access to self serve, Steve will be there gating me for every little permission I need. I hope you at least let devs deploy on whatever stack instantly with new projects and services with something selfserve-y like (Vercel/Heroku/etc).
- Exoristos 1y ago
  We have a bias toward devs who know what they're doing.
  - righthand 1y ago
    > who know what they're doing. Who know what they’re doing on your custom stack or who enjoy the 5 meetings it takes to get a basic yaml config setup for a db+mostly static site?
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