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They don't have any cloud or abstraction. You basically rent bare metal servers.

by Thaxll 1y ago

encom 1y ago
Since "cloud" just means someone else's computer, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
eknkc 1y ago
They have a cloud offering. Hourly billing instances with basic management features. They also have an S3 compatible storage service as part of it and a load balancer. I mean it is not really "cloud" compared to larger ones, just a toy but they are building things now.
wongarsu 1y ago
Hetzner is of the opinion that they have a cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud Whether it has enough features to satisfy your needs is another question, but it is more than just bare metal or vps
- Thaxll 1y ago
  I mean basic features like auto scale and create new resources. The most basic thing with a load balancer and scale instances behind that. They don't have any of that.
  - wongarsu 1y ago
    They have load balancers, and while they don't have an auto scale feature they do have APIs for starting instances and configuring the load balancer. So it's not that difficult to build your own auto scaling As compared to a "traditional" offering where there's only a manual order form and getting a new server might take hours, making auto-scaling unfeasible
    - Thaxll 1y ago
      Autoscaling based on CPU usage has been the most basic thing in the last 15 years. Are you really asking people to build that?
- Hetzner_OL 1y ago
  Yes, we are very much of the opinion that we are a cloud provider. While historically we have been known for our dedicated servers, our Cloud continues to steadily grow in terms of feature set, users, infrastructure, and much more. We even updated our cloud offer today. --Katie, Hetzner
lovelearning 1y ago
Hetzner has VPS servers. Has a web-based admin dashboard. Its API can create and teardown servers, virtual networks, block stores, load balancers, firewalls, DNS zones. It's similar to OVHCloud and Linode in my experience. If all these features are not sufficiently characteristic of clouds and abstractions, then I probably don't understand those two terms themselves.

They don't have any cloud or abstraction. You basically rent bare metal servers.

by Thaxll 1y ago

They don't have any cloud or abstraction. You basically rent bare metal servers.

encom 1y ago

Since "cloud" just means someone else's computer, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.

eknkc 1y ago

They have a cloud offering. Hourly billing instances with basic management features. They also have an S3 compatible storage service as part of it and a load balancer. I mean it is not really "cloud" compared to larger ones, just a toy but they are building things now.

wongarsu 1y ago

Hetzner is of the opinion that they have a cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud Whether it has enough features to satisfy your needs is another question, but it is more than just bare metal or vps

Thaxll 1y ago
I mean basic features like auto scale and create new resources. The most basic thing with a load balancer and scale instances behind that. They don't have any of that.
- wongarsu 1y ago
  They have load balancers, and while they don't have an auto scale feature they do have APIs for starting instances and configuring the load balancer. So it's not that difficult to build your own auto scaling As compared to a "traditional" offering where there's only a manual order form and getting a new server might take hours, making auto-scaling unfeasible
  - Thaxll 1y ago
    Autoscaling based on CPU usage has been the most basic thing in the last 15 years. Are you really asking people to build that?
Hetzner_OL 1y ago
Yes, we are very much of the opinion that we are a cloud provider. While historically we have been known for our dedicated servers, our Cloud continues to steadily grow in terms of feature set, users, infrastructure, and much more. We even updated our cloud offer today. --Katie, Hetzner

lovelearning 1y ago

Hetzner has VPS servers. Has a web-based admin dashboard. Its API can create and teardown servers, virtual networks, block stores, load balancers, firewalls, DNS zones. It's similar to OVHCloud and Linode in my experience. If all these features are not sufficiently characteristic of clouds and abstractions, then I probably don't understand those two terms themselves.