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Also "sovereign US cloud" is a bad joke

by oytis 1y ago

dangus 1y ago
Not really a joke at all, the point is to find a cloud provider that can place resources in a guaranteed location that stays within the legal boundaries of a country. This is for when you need to guarantee that your services cannot possibly escape boundaries of a specific country.
- dherls 1y ago
  I think the "joke" is if the US government orders a company to hand over that data, the fact that the servers are physically in the EU won't stop anything
  - _ZeD_ 1y ago
    why it should happen?
    - speedgoose 1y ago
      Intelligence.
  - seszett 1y ago
    This is addressed on the very page though: > A sovereign US cloud does not address or mitigate the strategic reliance of European businesses and governments on US-based cloud providers. > Some commentators are therefore calling those attempts “Sovereign-Cloud-Washing” or “EUWashing”.
  - codedokode 1y ago
    It's one thing if they require the copy of data, and another thing if the President wakes up in a bad mood and orders deleting all the data. Imagine if the whole computing infrastructure for power plants, public transportation, banks, payment systems, large companies gets deleted in a minute. You should not host the critical data on other country's servers.
  - dangus 1y ago
    That’s not the goal, it’s about regulatory compliance.
- grumpy-de-sre 1y ago
  Sovereign cloud might theoretically mean sovereign control over data. Does absolutely jack shit about the blocs trade deficit in the cloud services space though. Hundreds of billions of euros being sent abroad every year. Without some kind of collective trade policy [1] sovereign cloud initiatives will continue to be a waste of time for everyone involved (including engineers). Also if you see the phrase Gaia-X ... run. 1. https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-european-cloud/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-europe...
- jamesblonde 1y ago
  You obviously haven't heard of the cloud act, which american cloud providers must follow. Microsoft will do as they are told by Trump - "turn off access to the ICC's criminal prosecutor for Gaza" - "yes boss".

Also "sovereign US cloud" is a bad joke

by oytis 1y ago

Also "sovereign US cloud" is a bad joke

Not really a joke at all, the point is to find a cloud provider that can place resources in a guaranteed location that stays within the legal boundaries of a country. This is for when you need to guarantee that your services cannot possibly escape boundaries of a specific country.

dherls 1y ago
I think the "joke" is if the US government orders a company to hand over that data, the fact that the servers are physically in the EU won't stop anything
- _ZeD_ 1y ago
  why it should happen?
  - speedgoose 1y ago
    Intelligence.
- seszett 1y ago
  This is addressed on the very page though: > A sovereign US cloud does not address or mitigate the strategic reliance of European businesses and governments on US-based cloud providers. > Some commentators are therefore calling those attempts “Sovereign-Cloud-Washing” or “EUWashing”.
- codedokode 1y ago
  It's one thing if they require the copy of data, and another thing if the President wakes up in a bad mood and orders deleting all the data. Imagine if the whole computing infrastructure for power plants, public transportation, banks, payment systems, large companies gets deleted in a minute. You should not host the critical data on other country's servers.
- dangus 1y ago
  That’s not the goal, it’s about regulatory compliance.
grumpy-de-sre 1y ago
Sovereign cloud might theoretically mean sovereign control over data. Does absolutely jack shit about the blocs trade deficit in the cloud services space though. Hundreds of billions of euros being sent abroad every year. Without some kind of collective trade policy [1] sovereign cloud initiatives will continue to be a waste of time for everyone involved (including engineers). Also if you see the phrase Gaia-X ... run. 1. https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-european-cloud/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-europe...
jamesblonde 1y ago
You obviously haven't heard of the cloud act, which american cloud providers must follow. Microsoft will do as they are told by Trump - "turn off access to the ICC's criminal prosecutor for Gaza" - "yes boss".