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European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers
- notrealyme123 1y agoHave a hard time take this serious without hetzner
- oytis 1y agoAlso "sovereign US cloud" is a bad joke
- dangus 1y agoNot really a joke at all, the point is to find a cloud provider that can place resources in a guaranteed location that stays within the legal boundaries of a country. This is for when you need to guarantee that your services cannot possibly escape boundaries of a specific country.
- dherls 1y agoI think the "joke" is if the US government orders a company to hand over that data, the fact that the servers are physically in the EU won't stop anything
- _ZeD_ 1y agowhy it should happen?
- speedgoose 1y agoIntelligence.
- seszett 1y agoThis is addressed on the very page though: > A sovereign US cloud does not address or mitigate the strategic reliance of European businesses and governments on US-based cloud providers. > Some commentators are therefore calling those attempts “Sovereign-Cloud-Washing” or “EUWashing”.
- codedokode 1y agoIt's one thing if they require the copy of data, and another thing if the President wakes up in a bad mood and orders deleting all the data. Imagine if the whole computing infrastructure for power plants, public transportation, banks, payment systems, large companies gets deleted in a minute. You should not host the critical data on other country's servers.
- dangus 1y agoThat’s not the goal, it’s about regulatory compliance.
- grumpy-de-sre 1y agoSovereign cloud might theoretically mean sovereign control over data. Does absolutely jack shit about the blocs trade deficit in the cloud services space though. Hundreds of billions of euros being sent abroad every year. Without some kind of collective trade policy [1] sovereign cloud initiatives will continue to be a waste of time for everyone involved (including engineers). Also if you see the phrase Gaia-X ... run. 1. https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-european-cloud/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-europe...
- jamesblonde 1y agoYou obviously haven't heard of the cloud act, which american cloud providers must follow. Microsoft will do as they are told by Trump - "turn off access to the ICC's criminal prosecutor for Gaza" - "yes boss".
- dangus 1y agoHetzner doesn’t really have abstracted cloud services, they’re basically just bare metal servers or VPS.
- esperent 1y agoA VPS is still "cloud" though, isn't it?
- graemep 1y agoCloud services like AWS offer VPSes (Lightsail) so the boundary is very blurry. In any case Hertzner offers load balances, firewalls, private networks, which is fairly cloudy stuff.
- dangus 1y agoThey’re building out more cloud capability but not anywhere near the level that AWS and the rest have. AWS has way more managed business logic. Directory services, authentication, serverless PaaS, virtual workstations, data lakes, code deployment, the list goes on and on. Load balancers and firewalls are extremely basic in comparison.
- pinkgolem 1y agoThey are on the way, they introduced s3, and now better dns Management There is still a lot missing, and tbh the s3 did not work great when I tested it.
- Thaxll 1y agoThey don't have any cloud or abstraction. You basically rent bare metal servers.
- encom 1y agoSince "cloud" just means someone else's computer, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
- eknkc 1y agoThey have a cloud offering. Hourly billing instances with basic management features. They also have an S3 compatible storage service as part of it and a load balancer. I mean it is not really "cloud" compared to larger ones, just a toy but they are building things now.
- wongarsu 1y agoHetzner is of the opinion that they have a cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud Whether it has enough features to satisfy your needs is another question, but it is more than just bare metal or vps
- Thaxll 1y agoI mean basic features like auto scale and create new resources. The most basic thing with a load balancer and scale instances behind that. They don't have any of that.
- wongarsu 1y agoThey have load balancers, and while they don't have an auto scale feature they do have APIs for starting instances and configuring the load balancer. So it's not that difficult to build your own auto scaling As compared to a "traditional" offering where there's only a manual order form and getting a new server might take hours, making auto-scaling unfeasible
- Thaxll 1y ago
- azraellzanella 1y agoAlso: https://european-alternatives.eu/ https://european-alternatives.eu/
- Daunk 1y agoThis is my go-to site!
- jasonsgt 1y ago[dead]
- pantulis 1y agoFor a second I thought it was an official page. Seems it is a personal initiative.
- beklein 1y agoIt is a personal page, see the About page: https://european.cloud/about/ https://european.cloud/about/ I agree with you that this distinction could be made more prominently.
- _gmkt 1y ago[flagged]
- nik736 1y agoThere is also https://www.hetzner.com/ https://www.hetzner.com/ (IaaS), https://www.leaseweb.com/en/ https://www.leaseweb.com/en/ (IaaS) and https://www.nodion.com/en/ https://www.nodion.com/en/ (PaaS). Disclaimer: I am the founder of Nodion.
- iberator 1y agoCould you give us free coupons for Nodion? LOL
- CaptainOfCoit 1y agoI don't think describing Hetzner as IaaS is very accurate. They do offer that as well, but also dedicated servers, VPS and more. Personally I use Hetzner exclusively for their cheap and unmetered dedicated servers, as I don't like paying per GB used or similar, I want one static cost per month regardless of anything. In fact, when I think about it, most other Hetzner users I've met have similar objectives and I don't think I've met anyone around me in real-life that was using the IaaS part of Hetzner.
- arielcostas 1y agoHow would you classify VPS and dedicated servers though? Aren't those considered infra?
- CaptainOfCoit 1y agoYes, they are infrastructure but not Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS). IaaS is typically referring to the sort of services you don't really care about the underlying hardware at all, nor the OS. So while you can build your own IaaS by using dokku, Kubernetes or whatever on top of dedicated servers, dedicated servers (or VPS) by themselves aren't part of IaaS.
- karmakaze 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_as_a_service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_as_a_service > Infrastructure as a service (IaaS) is a cloud computing service model where a cloud services vendor provides computing resources such as storage, network, servers, and virtualization (which emulates computer hardware). This service frees users from maintaining their own data center, but they must install and maintain the operating system and application software.
- storus 1y ago[flagged]
- DocTomoe 1y ago... and at a service level that makes Google look like a spa.
- XCSme 1y agoBiggest one, Hetzner, missing?
- IlikeMadison 1y agoOVH is far bigger than Hetzner.
- XCSme 1y agoHmm, possibly in the enterprise sector, I think Hetzner has more clients, but OVH has the bigger clients.
- woile 1y agoI've been quite happy with scaleway. I wish it had hetzner prices though
- jamesblonde 1y agoIt's missing Evroc, from Sweden.
- kassner 1y agoAFAIK they haven’t launched yet.
- jamesblonde 1y agoThey have launched. But their firts data center will not be built until next year. They are running on CoLos currently.
- kassner 1y agoTheir website has basically nothing. Is it under a different brand, or just not generally available yet?
- gefion 1y ago[dead]
- kassner 1y agoIt would be awesome to have this list vetted for the CLOUD Act. IIRC only Scaleway is “safe” from it, given they don’t have any PoP in the USA.
- ngalstyan4 1y agoSurprised to not see Ubicloud in there, which provides cloud services on top of various (including European) infra providers. https://www.ubicloud.com/ https://www.ubicloud.com/
- cess11 1y agoThey're under the CLOUD Act, i.e. quite toxic.
- kassner 1y agoBasically everyone with even a CDN endpoint on the US is under Cloud Act. Hetzner, OVH, etc. Maybe only Scaleway that I couldn’t find any mentions of an US PoP.
- matt-p 1y agoNot a European company are they though. Worst of both worlds as they come under US and EU regulation.
- preisschild 1y agoUS Cloud act says they need to provide US govt with access to your data even if the DC is outside the US
- mindcrash 1y agoIt's missing out on small, yet good and reliable providers. Some examples: Tilaa (NL) - https://www.tilaa.com/en/ https://www.tilaa.com/en/ Offering compute, storage, databases, containers, you name it. And having personal experience with these guys I can tell you they are awesome. Want to host your stuff specifically in a CO2 neutral DC? They can do that too. Leafcloud (NL) - https://leaf.cloud/ https://leaf.cloud/ Green OpenStack based cloud provider Stuxhost (NL/DE) - https://stuxhost.com https://stuxhost.com Focused on managed NextCloud hosting, managed webhosting and VPN And there are hundreds more, actually.
- weberer 1y agoIf I need to chose a datacenter in Europe, does anyone know which country has the most lenient speech laws for user-generated content? It doesn't need to be within the EU, just on the continent.
- thijsw 1y agoWhat about https://www.koyeb.com/ https://www.koyeb.com/ ? It's based in Paris, FR
- freetonik 1y agoMissing Datacrunch [1], Finland-based GPU cluster provider. Also, funnily enough, the european.cloud website seems to be experiencing a hug of death and barely loads at the moment, with frequent server-side failures. Gotta find a better cloud hosting, perhaps. 1. https://datacrunch.io/ https://datacrunch.io/
- matt-p 1y agoI get so (unreasonably?) annoyed with people saying "European" and meaning "EU"; they're not the same thing. Stop it! You're missing all the providers based in the UK who frankly provide at least as many good options as the whole of the EU combined.
- jonathanstrange 1y agoThey're the same for the majority of people in Europe. We use EU and Europe synonymously very often. The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption any longer and has some Draconian surveillance laws. I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant so it's better to list them separately.
- matt-p 1y agoI'm aware. I think the EU have being trying to co-opt the word european which is absolutely insane. You will see it frequently from EU politicians "Europe will back ukraine with X". Putin and erm I imagine 3/4s of Russias population lives in Europe.
- jonathanstrange 1y agoWho cares what you think is insane. That's the way people think and talk in Europe, and it makes sense. Maybe in the UK people think of Russia when someone talks about Europe but certainly no one does that in the EU. In this case, it makes a lot of sense not to include the UK (or Russia) because people looking for alternatives to US cloud providers for legal reasons are going to have the same or even more concerns about the UK (viz., Russia).
- matt-p 1y agoIt's ok for you all to believe european === EU, but that is a EU only view (and factually incorrect). Also OK for you to buy stuff only from within the EU, I can understand why you'd want to do that, but obviously people outside the EU will be surprised to see you defining europe as the EU.
- jonathanstrange 1y agoBunny.net is also missing. They're not just a CDN, they also provide S3 storage, magic containers (edge computing), and other services. I use them in combination with Hetzner and so far I'm very happy with them.
- thehodge 1y agoHighly recommend - https://www.brightbox.com/ https://www.brightbox.com/ for European / UK hosting
- salviati 1y agohttps://www.netcup.com/en https://www.netcup.com/en is missing.
- BrandoElFollito 1y agoThis is missing Outscale, a French one.
- kenm47 1y agocivo.com ... i guess that's Europe but not EU. (they're UK based)
- european-cloud 1y agoI am the owner of the site and I would like to thank you all for the discussion and the feedback. Some points I was aware, e.g. Hetzner not in yet, others I had not thought of (e.g. not immediatly visible that it's a private project). I will try to incorporate as much of the feedback as I can. Thank you all!