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It's unclear as to where in London this is being rolled out, but central London traffic is notoriously slow, which may help. But we also don't have the concept

It's unclear as to where in London this is being rolled out, but central London traffic is notoriously slow, which may help. But we also don't have the concept of jaywalking - you can cross wherever, whenever and there is quite the cycling infrastructure to deal with.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> we also don't have the concept of jaywalking - you can cross wherever, whenever and there is quite the cycling infrastructure to deal with This is true in New York and, to a lesser degree, San Francisco.
- tialaramex 1y ago
  I mean, it's now technically true (since some point in 2024) in NYC, but historically it was merely practice to not uniformly enforce this rule and that's basically a more extreme version of the reality across the US. However unlike a cop deciding whether to fine people for "jay walking" the Waymo doesn't care whether you're the mayor's grandmother or a wise-talking black teenager if you're in its path, those are both humans and it's not allowed to hit humans. There aren't going to be many humans in the street in outer Phoenix because where would they even be going? But the Mission, just like Leicester Square, has plenty of pedestrians who might just run into the street in front of you given any reason or opportunity and you need to be ready for that. So I agree this isn't novel for Waymo, but while technically jay walking is now legal in NYC that's not why Waymo (which also has pencilled in an NYC launch) needs to care about it already.
xnx 1y ago
The linked article is bad. It would've been better to link to the official announcement or page (https://waymo.com/waymo-in-uk https://waymo.com/waymo-in-uk): "select boroughs in London, including Barking and Dagenham, Brent, Camden, Ealing, Royal Borough of Greenwich, Hackney, Hammersmith and Fulham, Haringey, Islington, Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, Lambeth, Lewisham, Newham, Redbridge, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Waltham Forest, Wandsworth, City of Westminster, and the City of London."
- verzali 1y ago
  That's a big area, covering much of the centre of the city. It will be impressive to see it working well.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> we also don't have the concept of jaywalking - you can cross wherever, whenever and there is quite the cycling infrastructure to deal with This is true in New York and, to a lesser degree, San Francisco.

tialaramex 1y ago
I mean, it's now technically true (since some point in 2024) in NYC, but historically it was merely practice to not uniformly enforce this rule and that's basically a more extreme version of the reality across the US. However unlike a cop deciding whether to fine people for "jay walking" the Waymo doesn't care whether you're the mayor's grandmother or a wise-talking black teenager if you're in its path, those are both humans and it's not allowed to hit humans. There aren't going to be many humans in the street in outer Phoenix because where would they even be going? But the Mission, just like Leicester Square, has plenty of pedestrians who might just run into the street in front of you given any reason or opportunity and you need to be ready for that. So I agree this isn't novel for Waymo, but while technically jay walking is now legal in NYC that's not why Waymo (which also has pencilled in an NYC launch) needs to care about it already.

xnx 1y ago

The linked article is bad. It would've been better to link to the official announcement or page (https://waymo.com/waymo-in-uk https://waymo.com/waymo-in-uk): "select boroughs in London, including Barking and Dagenham, Brent, Camden, Ealing, Royal Borough of Greenwich, Hackney, Hammersmith and Fulham, Haringey, Islington, Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, Lambeth, Lewisham, Newham, Redbridge, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Waltham Forest, Wandsworth, City of Westminster, and the City of London."

verzali 1y ago
That's a big area, covering much of the centre of the city. It will be impressive to see it working well.