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The people who are in the US illegally, 1000% yes.

by ap99 1y ago

tclancy 1y ago
Not the question that was asked.
Zironic 1y ago
What about the US citizens that also got hauled off by unmarked white vans?
Dumblydorr 1y ago
You’re okay taking a massive economic hit, removing large amounts of population from the country? Who cares if they’re “illegal” or not? Why does it matter if they’re less criminal than US born, and harder working? And don’t give me, they use services, I work for Medicaid and they don’t get it. So why? You just dislike brown people?
- mlrtime 1y ago
  Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    > Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up. Stock market recovered when Trump TACOed, it crashed hard when he tried to implement his actual policies.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    > stock market are up. Multitude of sins being hidden by the devaluation of the dollar there.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      So same as it ever was? Or just still happening but hopefully at a lower rate of change.
      - rsynnott 1y ago
        The dollar has fallen pretty drastically against other major currencies since the start of the year. That is, this isn't loss of value in the rather abstract monetary inflation sense but "dollar is down 15% relative to euro in under a year" (that's a pretty rapid shift in such a short timeline).
        mlrtime 1y ago
        Ok, so? That doesn't affect most of wage earning Americans. You are cherry picking something to generalize everything being bad.
        rsynnott 1y ago
        A decline in the dollar absolutely does impact most wage earning Americans. Those wages are being paid in dollars! A decline in the dollar on that scale will tend to lead to higher price inflation.
- pb7 1y ago
  What economic hit? Yes, they're illegal and we don't care how hard working they are, they can go be hard working in their own countries. The US is not a soup kitchen. If you want to come here, go through the official process. If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    > If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa. Nah, you see the fundamental problem here is that (based on Biden's estimate), there's about 10 million or so, and that 60–70% of all U.S. agricultural workers and 15–20% of construction workers are such people. They do this at a pay rate that is both higher than they'd get in their home country, and lower than any American would work for. This itself, being too cheap, precludes them getting a work visa: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/programs/h-2a https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/programs/h-2a What they bring to America is: your food.
DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
And you support this being done with no due process, meaning we just have to trust Trump and his cronies when they claim someone is in the US illegally?

The people who are in the US illegally, 1000% yes.

by ap99 1y ago

The people who are in the US illegally, 1000% yes.

tclancy 1y ago

Not the question that was asked.

Zironic 1y ago

What about the US citizens that also got hauled off by unmarked white vans?

Dumblydorr 1y ago

You’re okay taking a massive economic hit, removing large amounts of population from the country? Who cares if they’re “illegal” or not? Why does it matter if they’re less criminal than US born, and harder working? And don’t give me, they use services, I work for Medicaid and they don’t get it. So why? You just dislike brown people?

mlrtime 1y ago
Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up.
- ben_w 1y ago
  > Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up. Stock market recovered when Trump TACOed, it crashed hard when he tried to implement his actual policies.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  > stock market are up. Multitude of sins being hidden by the devaluation of the dollar there.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    So same as it ever was? Or just still happening but hopefully at a lower rate of change.
    - rsynnott 1y ago
      The dollar has fallen pretty drastically against other major currencies since the start of the year. That is, this isn't loss of value in the rather abstract monetary inflation sense but "dollar is down 15% relative to euro in under a year" (that's a pretty rapid shift in such a short timeline).
      - mlrtime 1y ago
        Ok, so? That doesn't affect most of wage earning Americans. You are cherry picking something to generalize everything being bad.
        rsynnott 1y ago
        A decline in the dollar absolutely does impact most wage earning Americans. Those wages are being paid in dollars! A decline in the dollar on that scale will tend to lead to higher price inflation.
pb7 1y ago
What economic hit? Yes, they're illegal and we don't care how hard working they are, they can go be hard working in their own countries. The US is not a soup kitchen. If you want to come here, go through the official process. If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa.
- ben_w 1y ago
  > If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa. Nah, you see the fundamental problem here is that (based on Biden's estimate), there's about 10 million or so, and that 60–70% of all U.S. agricultural workers and 15–20% of construction workers are such people. They do this at a pay rate that is both higher than they'd get in their home country, and lower than any American would work for. This itself, being too cheap, precludes them getting a work visa: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/programs/h-2a https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/programs/h-2a What they bring to America is: your food.

DiogenesKynikos 1y ago

And you support this being done with no due process, meaning we just have to trust Trump and his cronies when they claim someone is in the US illegally?