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Really? Are we going to compare development in what 1980 to today? I got my start programming on an Apple //e in 1986 in assembly and it had 128KB of RAM. 6GB

Really? Are we going to compare development in what 1980 to today? I got my start programming on an Apple //e in 1986 in assembly and it had 128KB of RAM. 6GB is not plenty when you are expected to run an IDE and in the case of Android an emulator that is also emulating a phone with 4GB+ RAM. iOS development has never used an “emulator”, when you ran in the simulator even on x86 computers, it compiled your code to x86 and ran against an x86 version of the iOS framework.

pjmlp 1y ago
Really, because iPadOS fails short of being a proper Dynabook. Who needs an emulator when running on device?!?
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986. You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Than I wonder why you think using Android Studio on an iPad is the only reason to have a proper OS experience with the same capabilities as macOS. As for Dynabook like experience, given our age, you can certainly find the difference on your own.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      This is where this part of the thread started https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 > The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode? How much of that could you do on your Dynabook? How was web browsing? The office suites? Video and audio editing? The office suites? Even the games?
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Maybe one day iPadOS users will get what using a full blown OS on a tablet actually means. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-pro https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-pro Think different.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        The very first review I found https://www.pcworld.com/article/2795490/microsoft-surface-pro-2025-review.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2795490/microsoft-surface-pr... This compact tablet runs on a Snapdragon X Plus chip and is built for casual browsing and office work. It’s not high-end The screen has a semi-high brightness IPS panel, 2196×1464 pixel resolution, and a 60 or 90 Hz frame rate. You’ll have to set it up manually; dynamic frequency is not supported. It’s not full pro quality on the screen, With a 12-inch screen and 3:2 aspect ratio The processor doesn’t even stack up well against the cheap base model iPad.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        That is not thinking different.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        So it’s slower, a worse display, a worse aspect ratio for a tablet, and Microsoft’s x86 emulator is notoriously slow and there are many fewer ARM native apps?
icedchai 1y ago
Modern software is absurdly bloated, no matter how you look at it. I started programming on an Apple II, but the first computer I ran anything approaching an "IDE" on was an Amiga 500 with 3 megs of RAM. (Lattice C!) The only reason you can't run a full blown OS on an iPad is Apple doesn't want you to. It would eat into low-end Mac sales.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Did you run an IDE and a separate emulator/simulator for a completely different computer? The video memory of a modern computer is much more than 3MB of RAM. Why wouldn’t Apple rather you spend more on an iPad Pro + keyboard than a MacBook Air?
  - icedchai 1y ago
    Different times, but software is exponentially more bloated now. Hardware giveth, software taketh away. You have a good point. My guess is they'd rather you'd buy both. You can get an older M1 or M2 MacBook Air for cheaper than an iPad Pro + keyboard.

pjmlp 1y ago

Really, because iPadOS fails short of being a proper Dynabook. Who needs an emulator when running on device?!?

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986. You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Than I wonder why you think using Android Studio on an iPad is the only reason to have a proper OS experience with the same capabilities as macOS. As for Dynabook like experience, given our age, you can certainly find the difference on your own.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    This is where this part of the thread started https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 > The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode? How much of that could you do on your Dynabook? How was web browsing? The office suites? Video and audio editing? The office suites? Even the games?
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Maybe one day iPadOS users will get what using a full blown OS on a tablet actually means. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-pro https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-pro Think different.
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        The very first review I found https://www.pcworld.com/article/2795490/microsoft-surface-pro-2025-review.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2795490/microsoft-surface-pr... This compact tablet runs on a Snapdragon X Plus chip and is built for casual browsing and office work. It’s not high-end The screen has a semi-high brightness IPS panel, 2196×1464 pixel resolution, and a 60 or 90 Hz frame rate. You’ll have to set it up manually; dynamic frequency is not supported. It’s not full pro quality on the screen, With a 12-inch screen and 3:2 aspect ratio The processor doesn’t even stack up well against the cheap base model iPad.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        That is not thinking different.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        So it’s slower, a worse display, a worse aspect ratio for a tablet, and Microsoft’s x86 emulator is notoriously slow and there are many fewer ARM native apps?

icedchai 1y ago

Modern software is absurdly bloated, no matter how you look at it. I started programming on an Apple II, but the first computer I ran anything approaching an "IDE" on was an Amiga 500 with 3 megs of RAM. (Lattice C!) The only reason you can't run a full blown OS on an iPad is Apple doesn't want you to. It would eat into low-end Mac sales.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
Did you run an IDE and a separate emulator/simulator for a completely different computer? The video memory of a modern computer is much more than 3MB of RAM. Why wouldn’t Apple rather you spend more on an iPad Pro + keyboard than a MacBook Air?
- icedchai 1y ago
  Different times, but software is exponentially more bloated now. Hardware giveth, software taketh away. You have a good point. My guess is they'd rather you'd buy both. You can get an older M1 or M2 MacBook Air for cheaper than an iPad Pro + keyboard.