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"Ordinary people" wouldn't care about anything above even an M1 CPU. The post is about the iPad Pro. The target audience would care about having the software fe

"Ordinary people" wouldn't care about anything above even an M1 CPU. The post is about the iPad Pro. The target audience would care about having the software features that macOS has.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
Im talking about the operating system.
- eptcyka 1y ago
  The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode?
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Yeah those are things most people want on an iPad with 6GB RAM…
    - eptcyka 1y ago
      The pros come with 12 and 16 GB of memory. That is plenty.
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        I would not want to run XCode let alone Android Studio with an Android emulator with 12GB RAM or a VM. Even the lowest end MacBook Air comes with 16GB RAM.
        eptcyka 1y ago
        It depends entirely on your target - you don’t need an emulator if you are already running an android device. Xcode on my macbook doesn’t need 12GB. It is of course a different story if you need to also run clang-analyzer or rust-analyzer in addition to xcode/studio, but still, 16GB would be enough to get by for a sizeable chunk of devs.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        (I replied to the wrong comment originally) I haven’t done mobile development for ages, but isn’t it always slower to have to update the app on the phone all of the time?
        eptcyka 1y ago
        Not always. And there are things that just do not work on emulators.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      My first computer had 48 KB, 6 GB are a lot when not juggling Electron processes.
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Really? Are we going to compare development in what 1980 to today? I got my start programming on an Apple //e in 1986 in assembly and it had 128KB of RAM. 6GB is not plenty when you are expected to run an IDE and in the case of Android an emulator that is also emulating a phone with 4GB+ RAM. iOS development has never used an “emulator”, when you ran in the simulator even on x86 computers, it compiled your code to x86 and ran against an x86 version of the iOS framework.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        Really, because iPadOS fails short of being a proper Dynabook. Who needs an emulator when running on device?!?
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986. You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        Than I wonder why you think using Android Studio on an iPad is the only reason to have a proper OS experience with the same capabilities as macOS. As for Dynabook like experience, given our age, you can certainly find the difference on your own.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        This is where this part of the thread started https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 > The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode? How much of that could you do on your Dynabook? How was web browsing? The office suites? Video and audio editing? The office suites? Even the games?
ako 1y ago
Not true, it’s a pretty good machine to edit videos on, extra cpu/gpu power is welcome there. I connect it to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse and use Final Cut Pro to edit videos. On holidays I can connect my action cam to the iPad, download the videos and edit them, without having to bring a laptop.
- wpm 1y ago
  Yeah… but you had to bring an iPad? I’d choose the laptop every time as I can do all of that in addition to using a non-bullshit browser if I need to do something online.
  - ako 1y ago
    Yes, I rather bring an iPad than a laptop, easier lighter and smaller to travel with, also better for movie watching in the plane. Laptop is hard to fit on a table.

"Ordinary people" wouldn't care about anything above even an M1 CPU. The post is about the iPad Pro. The target audience would care about having the software features that macOS has.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago

Im talking about the operating system.

eptcyka 1y ago
The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode?
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Yeah those are things most people want on an iPad with 6GB RAM…
  - eptcyka 1y ago
    The pros come with 12 and 16 GB of memory. That is plenty.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      I would not want to run XCode let alone Android Studio with an Android emulator with 12GB RAM or a VM. Even the lowest end MacBook Air comes with 16GB RAM.
      - eptcyka 1y ago
        It depends entirely on your target - you don’t need an emulator if you are already running an android device. Xcode on my macbook doesn’t need 12GB. It is of course a different story if you need to also run clang-analyzer or rust-analyzer in addition to xcode/studio, but still, 16GB would be enough to get by for a sizeable chunk of devs.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        (I replied to the wrong comment originally) I haven’t done mobile development for ages, but isn’t it always slower to have to update the app on the phone all of the time?
        eptcyka 1y ago
        Not always. And there are things that just do not work on emulators.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    My first computer had 48 KB, 6 GB are a lot when not juggling Electron processes.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Really? Are we going to compare development in what 1980 to today? I got my start programming on an Apple //e in 1986 in assembly and it had 128KB of RAM. 6GB is not plenty when you are expected to run an IDE and in the case of Android an emulator that is also emulating a phone with 4GB+ RAM. iOS development has never used an “emulator”, when you ran in the simulator even on x86 computers, it compiled your code to x86 and ran against an x86 version of the iOS framework.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Really, because iPadOS fails short of being a proper Dynabook. Who needs an emulator when running on device?!?
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986. You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        Than I wonder why you think using Android Studio on an iPad is the only reason to have a proper OS experience with the same capabilities as macOS. As for Dynabook like experience, given our age, you can certainly find the difference on your own.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        This is where this part of the thread started https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747 > The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode? How much of that could you do on your Dynabook? How was web browsing? The office suites? Video and audio editing? The office suites? Even the games?

ako 1y ago

Not true, it’s a pretty good machine to edit videos on, extra cpu/gpu power is welcome there. I connect it to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse and use Final Cut Pro to edit videos. On holidays I can connect my action cam to the iPad, download the videos and edit them, without having to bring a laptop.

wpm 1y ago
Yeah… but you had to bring an iPad? I’d choose the laptop every time as I can do all of that in addition to using a non-bullshit browser if I need to do something online.
- ako 1y ago
  Yes, I rather bring an iPad than a laptop, easier lighter and smaller to travel with, also better for movie watching in the plane. Laptop is hard to fit on a table.