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This is pure hyperbole. It would take one of IBM's Linux IT people half an hour to modify the Ubuntu disc image to remove the offending package.

nilved 14y ago
Time that nobody wants to or should need to spend, and time that isn't necessary with other distros.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  I'm not saying that it's OK. I'm saying that this isn't the sort of showstopper for corporate Ubuntu adoption that the OP seems to be suggesting.
  - keithpeter 14y ago
    Business Desktop Remix 12.04 LTS http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/remix http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/remix has Java, flash, vmware installed, and has had social clients removed. I imagine that the next version of this would omit the 'enhanced' Dash search 'feature' as well. Enterprise is not the issue, the issue is the consumer tablet/netbook/TV space with crapware added.
jellicle 14y ago
The technical situation has NOTHING to do with this problem. It is a social problem, an image problem, a branding problem. Ubuntu is now low-class software, and high-class people use high-class software.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  Meh, I think that applies more to the consumer market than it does to the corporate market. If the corporate market were concerned only about branding, everyone would be using a Mac. And although there has been a trend in that direction, the overwhelming majority of corporate computers are running Windows to this day.
  - saurik 14y ago
    Your example is confusing, as Mac is branded as a consumer product: if a corporate market "were concerned only about branding" it would choose Windows, not Mac, as Windows is branded as an office workstation. The word "branding" in this context does not mean "trending", it means something closer to "typecasting".
- xaa 14y ago
  I know a few people who still use Kindle and Google Search, despite their infection with ads. Maybe Ubuntu will survive as well?
- btian 14y ago
  I use what suits me the best. TBH this is the first time I hear about class-warfare in software. "High-class" people can use Windows Server for all they want (if they define pricy as "high-class"), while the rest use what is the best for ourselves. Is Google going to abandon Ubuntu base as their main OS? Very unlikely as they can just strip out the package. Does Google give a damn about "class"? No!
rubinelli 14y ago
Or you can run an Ubuntu-derived distribution. In my experience, Linux Mint is already much more corporate user-friendly. It's Ubuntu with all the opiniated stuff taken out and replaced with conservative, sensible alternatives.

nilved 14y ago

Time that nobody wants to or should need to spend, and time that isn't necessary with other distros.

w1ntermute 14y ago
I'm not saying that it's OK. I'm saying that this isn't the sort of showstopper for corporate Ubuntu adoption that the OP seems to be suggesting.
- keithpeter 14y ago
  Business Desktop Remix 12.04 LTS http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/remix http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/remix has Java, flash, vmware installed, and has had social clients removed. I imagine that the next version of this would omit the 'enhanced' Dash search 'feature' as well. Enterprise is not the issue, the issue is the consumer tablet/netbook/TV space with crapware added.

jellicle 14y ago

The technical situation has NOTHING to do with this problem. It is a social problem, an image problem, a branding problem. Ubuntu is now low-class software, and high-class people use high-class software.

w1ntermute 14y ago
Meh, I think that applies more to the consumer market than it does to the corporate market. If the corporate market were concerned only about branding, everyone would be using a Mac. And although there has been a trend in that direction, the overwhelming majority of corporate computers are running Windows to this day.
- saurik 14y ago
  Your example is confusing, as Mac is branded as a consumer product: if a corporate market "were concerned only about branding" it would choose Windows, not Mac, as Windows is branded as an office workstation. The word "branding" in this context does not mean "trending", it means something closer to "typecasting".
xaa 14y ago
I know a few people who still use Kindle and Google Search, despite their infection with ads. Maybe Ubuntu will survive as well?
btian 14y ago
I use what suits me the best. TBH this is the first time I hear about class-warfare in software. "High-class" people can use Windows Server for all they want (if they define pricy as "high-class"), while the rest use what is the best for ourselves. Is Google going to abandon Ubuntu base as their main OS? Very unlikely as they can just strip out the package. Does Google give a damn about "class"? No!

rubinelli 14y ago

Or you can run an Ubuntu-derived distribution. In my experience, Linux Mint is already much more corporate user-friendly. It's Ubuntu with all the opiniated stuff taken out and replaced with conservative, sensible alternatives.