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Don't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box. The box will probably be less than half as thick, doubling shipping efficiency. These are air freight, s

Don't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box. The box will probably be less than half as thick, doubling shipping efficiency. These are air freight, so the CO2 impact is not negligible. I'll take the discount and use one of my 12 existing USB-C chargers.

leshenka 1y ago
There are more 90W-capable USB-C chargers in my home than there are laptops. I certainly don't need another one. Honestly I'd be fine for them to just remove the box altogether and use paper envelope like Steve Jobs did once.
coldtea 1y ago
>Don't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box Compared to the marginal environmental impact to source materials, build hardware and parts, assemble, ship, stock, and transport to customer each unit, the box could be 10x larger and it wouldn't make a dent.
- leakycap 1y ago
  > ship ... the box could be 10x larger and it wouldn't make a dent This is not how shipping works. A larger box, even by 1 inch on any direction, absolutely makes a huge difference when shipping in manufacturing quantities. Let's not pretend physical volume doesn't exist just to make an argument. 10 planes flying with MacBooks == much different than 1 plane (in other words, when you 10x the size of something, as you suggest, it does actually have a huge impact)
  - coldtea 1y ago
    The point being made is "it's not the paper fr the box that's the issue". A smaller box allows more to be carried. But if we go that route, it's trivial to ship them without any box and box them domestically - and that's a 2-3x volume reduction right there.
    - leakycap 1y ago
      > it's trivial to ship them without any box and box them domestically Ah yeah I can't imagine any scenario where this could go wrong Like man in the middle attacks Replacement/fake products ... or you know, damage? Boxes provide... protection. > it's trivial Anytime you catch yourself thinking something is trivial, you're probably trivializing it (aka think about it more and you'll probably be able to think of a dozen more reasons packaging products is the norm)
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leshenka 1y ago

There are more 90W-capable USB-C chargers in my home than there are laptops. I certainly don't need another one. Honestly I'd be fine for them to just remove the box altogether and use paper envelope like Steve Jobs did once.

coldtea 1y ago

>Don't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box Compared to the marginal environmental impact to source materials, build hardware and parts, assemble, ship, stock, and transport to customer each unit, the box could be 10x larger and it wouldn't make a dent.

leakycap 1y ago
> ship ... the box could be 10x larger and it wouldn't make a dent This is not how shipping works. A larger box, even by 1 inch on any direction, absolutely makes a huge difference when shipping in manufacturing quantities. Let's not pretend physical volume doesn't exist just to make an argument. 10 planes flying with MacBooks == much different than 1 plane (in other words, when you 10x the size of something, as you suggest, it does actually have a huge impact)
- coldtea 1y ago
  The point being made is "it's not the paper fr the box that's the issue". A smaller box allows more to be carried. But if we go that route, it's trivial to ship them without any box and box them domestically - and that's a 2-3x volume reduction right there.
  - leakycap 1y ago
    > it's trivial to ship them without any box and box them domestically Ah yeah I can't imagine any scenario where this could go wrong Like man in the middle attacks Replacement/fake products ... or you know, damage? Boxes provide... protection. > it's trivial Anytime you catch yourself thinking something is trivial, you're probably trivializing it (aka think about it more and you'll probably be able to think of a dozen more reasons packaging products is the norm)
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