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Same boat, and 100% agree. I couldn’t find a single example of Windows or Windows software where I think the experience is in any way better. Windows only savi

Same boat, and 100% agree. I couldn’t find a single example of Windows or Windows software where I think the experience is in any way better. Windows only saving grace, as a developer, is WSL. For a simple example, no app remembers the last directory you were working in. The keys each app uses are completely inconsistent from app to app. And it was only in Windows 11 that Windows started remembering my window configuration when I plugged and unplugged a monitor. Then there’s the Windows 95-style dialog boxes mixed in with the Windows 11-style dialog boxes; what a UI mess. I spoke with one vendor the other day who was actually proud they’d adopted a ribbon interface in their UI “just like Office” and I verbally laughed. From a hardware perspective, I still don’t understand why Windows and laptop manufacturers can’t get sleep working right. My Intel MacBook Pro with an old battery still sleeps and wakes and lasts for several hours, while my new Windows laptop lasts about an hour and won’t wake from hibernate half the time without a hard reboot. I think Windows is the “good enough” for most people.

BeetleB 1y ago
> I couldn’t find a single example of Windows or Windows software where I think the experience is in any way better. While overall I may say MacOS is better, I would not say it's better in every way. Believe it or not, I had a better experience with 3rd party window managers in Windows than on MacOS. I don't think the automation options in MacOS are better than AutoHotKey (even Linux doesn't have something as good). And for corporate work, the integration with Windows is much better than anything I've seen on MacOS. Mac HW is great. The OS is in that uncanny valley where it's UNIX, but not as good as Linux.
- robenkleene 1y ago
  > I don't think the automation options in MacOS are better than AutoHotKey (even Linux doesn't have something as good). Did you try Keyboard Maestro https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ (I've never used AutoHotKey and I'd be super curious if there are deficiencies in KM relative to it, but Keyboard Maestro is, from my perspective, a masterpiece, it's hard to imagine it being any better.) Also I think this statement needs a stronger defense given macOS includes Shortcuts, Automator, and AppleScript, I don't know much about Windows automation but I've never heard of them having something like AppleScript (that can say, migrate data between applications without using GUI scripting [e.g., iterate through open browser tabs and create todos from each of them operating directly on the application data rather than scripting the UI]).
  - wingworks 1y ago
    Yeah, the things that AppleScript can do is so crazy. I've fully automated keeping 1 tab in Chrome logged into a website that insists on logging me out every hour or something. (not banking or anything)
prewett 1y ago
> Windows only saving grace, as a developer, is WSL. So, Windows' saving grace is being able to run a different operating system inside it? Damning with faint praise if I ever heard it...
- dboreham 1y ago
  Also the control key works.
  - simonh 1y ago
    Just enable space bar heating.
jpalawaga 1y ago
Mac also can't get sleep right. Have you tried to make a macbook consistently be 'awake' when the lid is closed? You can't, really. Almost everyone resorts to buying an HDMI dongle to fake a display. Apple solved the problem at such a low level, the flexibility to run something in clamshell mode is broken, even when using caffeine/amphetamine/etc etc etc. So, tradeoffs. They made their laptops go to sleep very well, but broke functionality in the process. You can argue it's a good tradeoff, just acknowledge that there WAS a tradeoff made.
- cyberpunk 1y ago
  Counter-Example: I ran an air without a monitor connected for years using caffeine, worked perfectly for me..
  - cobbzilla 1y ago
    I did for years too, but newer MacBooks no longer allow running with lid-closed unless connected to a monitor, I was disappointed to recently learn this. If I’m wrong, someone tell me how to do it! On an M4 MacBook Air running latest OSX release.
- deleted 1y ago
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- pico303 1y ago
  I don’t mean this to sound like I’m being a jerk, but why would I want my MacBook to be awake with the lid closed? If I want it to be awake doing something, I leave the lid open and let the screen sleep. Maybe I’ve been using a Mac too long, but lid closed means sleep to me. I’ll even do that when I have it plugged into a monitor: close the lid to make it sleep.
strbean 1y ago
> And it was only in Windows 11 that Windows started remembering my window configuration when I plugged and unplugged a monitor. Oh god, I'm going to have to bite the bullet and switch to 11, huh? The one thing that has been saving me from throwing my PC out the window in rage has been the monitor I have that supports a "keep alive" mode where switching inputs is transparent to the computers connected to it. So when switching inputs between my PC and laptop neither one thinks the monitor is being disconnected/reconnected. If it wasn't for that, I'd be screaming "WHY ARE YOU MOVING ALL MY WINDOWS?" on a regular basis. (Seriously, why are you moving all my windows? Sure, if they're on the display that was just disconnected, I get you. But when I connect a new display, Windows 10 seems to throw a dart at the display space for every window and shuffle them to new locations. Windows that live in a specific place on a specific display 100% of the time just fly around for no reason. Please god just stop.)

BeetleB 1y ago

> I couldn’t find a single example of Windows or Windows software where I think the experience is in any way better. While overall I may say MacOS is better, I would not say it's better in every way. Believe it or not, I had a better experience with 3rd party window managers in Windows than on MacOS. I don't think the automation options in MacOS are better than AutoHotKey (even Linux doesn't have something as good). And for corporate work, the integration with Windows is much better than anything I've seen on MacOS. Mac HW is great. The OS is in that uncanny valley where it's UNIX, but not as good as Linux.

robenkleene 1y ago
> I don't think the automation options in MacOS are better than AutoHotKey (even Linux doesn't have something as good). Did you try Keyboard Maestro https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ (I've never used AutoHotKey and I'd be super curious if there are deficiencies in KM relative to it, but Keyboard Maestro is, from my perspective, a masterpiece, it's hard to imagine it being any better.) Also I think this statement needs a stronger defense given macOS includes Shortcuts, Automator, and AppleScript, I don't know much about Windows automation but I've never heard of them having something like AppleScript (that can say, migrate data between applications without using GUI scripting [e.g., iterate through open browser tabs and create todos from each of them operating directly on the application data rather than scripting the UI]).
- wingworks 1y ago
  Yeah, the things that AppleScript can do is so crazy. I've fully automated keeping 1 tab in Chrome logged into a website that insists on logging me out every hour or something. (not banking or anything)

prewett 1y ago

> Windows only saving grace, as a developer, is WSL. So, Windows' saving grace is being able to run a different operating system inside it? Damning with faint praise if I ever heard it...

dboreham 1y ago
Also the control key works.
- simonh 1y ago
  Just enable space bar heating.

jpalawaga 1y ago

Mac also can't get sleep right. Have you tried to make a macbook consistently be 'awake' when the lid is closed? You can't, really. Almost everyone resorts to buying an HDMI dongle to fake a display. Apple solved the problem at such a low level, the flexibility to run something in clamshell mode is broken, even when using caffeine/amphetamine/etc etc etc. So, tradeoffs. They made their laptops go to sleep very well, but broke functionality in the process. You can argue it's a good tradeoff, just acknowledge that there WAS a tradeoff made.

cyberpunk 1y ago
Counter-Example: I ran an air without a monitor connected for years using caffeine, worked perfectly for me..
- cobbzilla 1y ago
  I did for years too, but newer MacBooks no longer allow running with lid-closed unless connected to a monitor, I was disappointed to recently learn this. If I’m wrong, someone tell me how to do it! On an M4 MacBook Air running latest OSX release.
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pico303 1y ago
I don’t mean this to sound like I’m being a jerk, but why would I want my MacBook to be awake with the lid closed? If I want it to be awake doing something, I leave the lid open and let the screen sleep. Maybe I’ve been using a Mac too long, but lid closed means sleep to me. I’ll even do that when I have it plugged into a monitor: close the lid to make it sleep.

strbean 1y ago

> And it was only in Windows 11 that Windows started remembering my window configuration when I plugged and unplugged a monitor. Oh god, I'm going to have to bite the bullet and switch to 11, huh? The one thing that has been saving me from throwing my PC out the window in rage has been the monitor I have that supports a "keep alive" mode where switching inputs is transparent to the computers connected to it. So when switching inputs between my PC and laptop neither one thinks the monitor is being disconnected/reconnected. If it wasn't for that, I'd be screaming "WHY ARE YOU MOVING ALL MY WINDOWS?" on a regular basis. (Seriously, why are you moving all my windows? Sure, if they're on the display that was just disconnected, I get you. But when I connect a new display, Windows 10 seems to throw a dart at the display space for every window and shuffle them to new locations. Windows that live in a specific place on a specific display 100% of the time just fly around for no reason. Please god just stop.)