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That's sad brother. I don't find you revolting. Perhaps we disagree. But, revolting? That's a reach. I happen to think that your view that "When will <snip

That's sad brother. I don't find you revolting. Perhaps we disagree. But, revolting? That's a reach. I happen to think that your view that "When will <snip> technical males realise that the government created the industries they worked in through decades long investment where the free market failed to do so." is flawed in a million different ways. Virtually nothing government does is done well, efficiently and with true far-reaching vision towards future goals that will benefit all. In most cases it the results are nowhere near what government expected. The "invention" of the Internet is one such examples. While the genesis is solidly found in ARPANET not one person in government PLANNED for what we have today. Natural market evolutionary forces made this happen. Lots of entrepreneurs and investors throwing money, blood, sweat and tears into the pot and here we are. If it were up to government we'd still be trying to figure out how to raise taxes to pay for some ridiculous solution that nobody would want. Fortunes were made and lost giving the Internet life. Government couldn't even approach the people and financial investment that went into actually making it. Look at examples like Webvan to see the risks people took back then. Eight hundred million dollars pissed away chasing an idea. Yes, it was a failure, but that's EXACTLY what the free market is about. Some win. Some loose. And we all benefit from those who try. How about jumping into bullshit wars? How is that working for you? You certainly can't pin that one on private enterprise, can you? Nah, what needs to realized here is that we are an incredibly capable species that thrives by being challenged. We develop solutions by cooperating towards common goals and, yes, when there are benefits to be had (financial, intellectual, emotional, altruistic, etc.). Government, at least in the US, has degenerated into a do-whatever-it-takes-to-get-votes organism. All parties. All ideologies. They all want votes to stay in power 'cause it's a sweet ride. That's all they care about. Not you, I or our kids. Nothing else matters. The sooner we realize that and start to figure out how to fix it the better off we will be. Interference with private enterprise is just one side-effect of how these governments are failing us. I don't really like political labels that much because they don't really represent the person. I tend to use "libertarian" because, well, the other have nearly never represented me. One side is overly religious and the other side can be reminiscent of populist South American dictators that rile-up the masses, give them shit and buy votes. None of it good. I prefer to believe in the individual, the power of self determination and the drive to succeed. I could be wrong, but I think this is far better than some organization telling a startup that they can't disrupt the cab industry because, well, THEY don't want it disrupted. It's like asking buggy-whip workers if their industry should go out of business in order to allow automobiles to happen. Of course they'll say "no", and the politicians and unions that might represent them would have raise hell to protect them. In the end, protecting that industry would have been a huge mistake.

mbetter 14y ago
I find your kind quite revolting as well.
- robomartin 14y ago
  You only say that 'cause you love me.
  - mbetter 14y ago
    That's what you say to all your serfs.
  - ktizo 14y ago
    Well, at least you believe in hope to some degree.
  - MordinSolus 14y ago
    <3 Keep fighting the good fight. We need more people thinking like you.
danso 14y ago
> The "invention" of the Internet is one such examples. While the genesis is solidly found in ARPANET not one person in government PLANNED for what we have today. Natural market evolutionary forces made this happen That's an awfully simplistic way of looking at things. How many of those entrepreneurs would have sacrificed and succeeded without the promises and stability provided by some government regulation and oversight? To say it was all "evolutionary" is like saying life on Earth owes nothing to oxygen, as today's lifeforms are the products of just evolution
- robomartin 14y ago
  Go start a non-trivial business and then tell me what you think about government. The only people who think that government interference is not part of the problem are those who either work for the government, depend on it for a living, benefit from their rulings, actions and handouts or have never started a business and came face-to-face with the beast. Why isn't your all-knowing government moving swiftly to fix the software patent problem? What are they waiting for? I'll tell you why: It keeps thousands upon thousands of government employees (voters) employed and it brings-in money, lots of money. In the meantime they, through inaction, cause untold carnage and damage our ability to innovate at full speed. Also, in the accounting politicians engage in patent issues don't offer them any advantage because they are not going to gain significant votes by doing anything in that segment. I mean, Google had to put what, twelve billion dollars into patents just so they could continue to exist in the smart phone market? Do you know what a company can do with twelve billion dollars? Talk about jobs and innovation. As a software entrepreneur you have to live in fear of some asshole ruining your life because our brain-dead government granted them a patent on the pink sliding button you happen to be using. Stability? Tell that to the Ambassador who got killed Libya. Why are we even there? Why are we at war with half the fucking world? Why are we buying friends through foreign aid? Friends that turn on us and, like a drug, we think we can keep buying their loyalty with more money? That's really brilliant stuff partner. And government owns all of it. Not private enterprise. Not capitalism. Not entrepreneurs. Government. Your all-providing, all-knowing, infallible government. I am fairly well travelled and speak several languages. When I am abroad sometimes I feel ashamed to be an American. Do you know why? Not because of our people. Just like folks all over the world we Americans are kind, loving, hard-working people who love our families and just want to have a nice life. No, when I feel ashamed to be an American it is because of the way our government defecates not only all over us but all over other parts of the world. This isn't about Democrats or Republicans. Our government has become a beast that behaves badly regardless of who is at the helm. It is a shame. And it is probably time for people who believe blindly in the supernatural powers of government to wake up and see reality for what it is. I go back to the same thing. If you love government you have to love the good and the bad. You can't pick. Your government (and other governments) started wars that have killed tens of millions of people. Maybe even pushing over a hundred million. Start at World War 1 and do the math. A hundred million people dead. People didn't start those wars. Businesses didn't. Fucking governments did. And tens of millions of people are dead for it. I suppose you are proud and support that too?

mbetter 14y ago

I find your kind quite revolting as well.

robomartin 14y ago
You only say that 'cause you love me.
- mbetter 14y ago
  That's what you say to all your serfs.
- ktizo 14y ago
  Well, at least you believe in hope to some degree.
- MordinSolus 14y ago
  <3 Keep fighting the good fight. We need more people thinking like you.

danso 14y ago

> The "invention" of the Internet is one such examples. While the genesis is solidly found in ARPANET not one person in government PLANNED for what we have today. Natural market evolutionary forces made this happen That's an awfully simplistic way of looking at things. How many of those entrepreneurs would have sacrificed and succeeded without the promises and stability provided by some government regulation and oversight? To say it was all "evolutionary" is like saying life on Earth owes nothing to oxygen, as today's lifeforms are the products of just evolution

robomartin 14y ago
Go start a non-trivial business and then tell me what you think about government. The only people who think that government interference is not part of the problem are those who either work for the government, depend on it for a living, benefit from their rulings, actions and handouts or have never started a business and came face-to-face with the beast. Why isn't your all-knowing government moving swiftly to fix the software patent problem? What are they waiting for? I'll tell you why: It keeps thousands upon thousands of government employees (voters) employed and it brings-in money, lots of money. In the meantime they, through inaction, cause untold carnage and damage our ability to innovate at full speed. Also, in the accounting politicians engage in patent issues don't offer them any advantage because they are not going to gain significant votes by doing anything in that segment. I mean, Google had to put what, twelve billion dollars into patents just so they could continue to exist in the smart phone market? Do you know what a company can do with twelve billion dollars? Talk about jobs and innovation. As a software entrepreneur you have to live in fear of some asshole ruining your life because our brain-dead government granted them a patent on the pink sliding button you happen to be using. Stability? Tell that to the Ambassador who got killed Libya. Why are we even there? Why are we at war with half the fucking world? Why are we buying friends through foreign aid? Friends that turn on us and, like a drug, we think we can keep buying their loyalty with more money? That's really brilliant stuff partner. And government owns all of it. Not private enterprise. Not capitalism. Not entrepreneurs. Government. Your all-providing, all-knowing, infallible government. I am fairly well travelled and speak several languages. When I am abroad sometimes I feel ashamed to be an American. Do you know why? Not because of our people. Just like folks all over the world we Americans are kind, loving, hard-working people who love our families and just want to have a nice life. No, when I feel ashamed to be an American it is because of the way our government defecates not only all over us but all over other parts of the world. This isn't about Democrats or Republicans. Our government has become a beast that behaves badly regardless of who is at the helm. It is a shame. And it is probably time for people who believe blindly in the supernatural powers of government to wake up and see reality for what it is. I go back to the same thing. If you love government you have to love the good and the bad. You can't pick. Your government (and other governments) started wars that have killed tens of millions of people. Maybe even pushing over a hundred million. Start at World War 1 and do the math. A hundred million people dead. People didn't start those wars. Businesses didn't. Fucking governments did. And tens of millions of people are dead for it. I suppose you are proud and support that too?