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Ah Jaysus! Ireland’s has been running "basic income schemes" since the 6th century. "Modernity" is just a bit blind to how it worked. What we are seeing now is
by pols45 1y ago
Ah Jaysus! Ireland’s has been running "basic income schemes" since the 6th century. "Modernity" is just a bit blind to how it worked. What we are seeing now is the secular attempts at institutionalizing it.
What we now call "Pastoral Care" emerged out of the behavior of some Irish monks in the sixth century embedding themselves in local communities exchanging advice for free mead and shelter. They started writing books about its effectiveness.
And so it became institutionalized world wide. So they would send a bloke to Ballykissangel, pay him to sit there, listen to the villagers’ woes on Sundays, and spend the rest of the week in the pub providing cultural enrichment.
Most importantly no numbers and report were used to justify these programmes. And this is what Sociologists say is the problem with modernity.
Corporate wonderland and McDonalds has convinced the "educated" numbers are somehow magic. And its easy to break that spell. Just ask a Kid to come up with a business plan to run a McDonalds. Its a super simple exercise involving costs and expenses. After they do that, ask them to scale it up so McDonalds can feed the world. Once you learn the McDonalds model cannot feed the world, the only path forward (for people who care about these things and most don't) is coming up with models that aren't built on top of numbers. There is a big reason the Church has outlasted corporations and empires. And its not numbers and reports. Its pastoral care.
- epiccoleman 1y ago> And so it became institutionalized world wide. So they would send a bloke to Ballykissangel, pay him to sit there, listen to the villagers’ woes on Sundays, and spend the rest of the week in the pub providing cultural enrichment. Good lord, how do I get that job?
- jdpage 1y agoSeminary, then becoming ordained as a priest, at the very least.
- dyauspitr 1y agoPriests usually have to perform multiple masses a day, every day of the week.
- jandrese 1y agoThey really have Monday morning and Monday afternoon mass? Friday afternoon? This seems like a lot more activity than the Catholic churches that I know.
- epiccoleman 1y agoGrowing up, the Catholic church which my family attended, and to which our grade school was attached, held the following masses: * Wednesday evening mass * Thursday morning mass (this was attended by the school kids, as well as a collection of retirees) * Saturday evening mass * Sunday 7am mass * Sunday 10am mass There was also a weekly or maybe biweekly Confession. That was serving quite a small congregation too, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that bigger parishes have more frequent masses (although in my experience larger parishes often have more than one priest). Also, the job of a Catholic priest is definitely not limited to performing Mass. They're essentially on call for Last Rites 24/7, but apart from that there's also just various parish events they'll be involved with. So anyway, I don't want that job, I want the one where you give out vaguely mystical advice and listen to problems once a week, and then during the rest of the week you're like a cool side character at the local pub.
- michaelt 1y agoIn some areas, with declining attendance and a reluctance to close any churches, many priests perform mass at multiple churches. This is especially true in rural areas, where the density of churches was established in the pre-car era.
- jandrese 1y agoHow does that work? "Sorry this church is closed on Sunday, we hold mass on Monday instead because our priest is shared with a bigger church."?
- dkarl 1y ago> There is a big reason the Church has outlasted corporations and empires. And its not numbers and reports Right, the Catholic Church doesn't pay any attention to its finances. It doesn't have regularly financial reports full of numbers that are carefully reviewed by several levels of leadership. It doesn't zealously protect its tax exemptions and press people for donations each week. It just kinda wings it and hopes the checks don't bounce, which they magically don't because the Church does good work in the world?
- overfeed 1y ago"The is a reason Usain Bolt won, and it is not because he is tall" does not imply he is short/not tall. You're arguing against a statement gp did not make
- collingreen 1y agoGgp didn't make much of a point at all, just implied that the church had longevity because it wasn't obsessed with numbers and money and instead just cared about listening to people, with the ancient example of once a week in exchange for board. Gp then sarcastically pointed out that they are, in fact, extremely obsessed with numbers and money and asking for money and growing that money. I don't want to speak for gp too much but when I read that I thought it did a great job of pointing out why the implied causality of the church longevity wasn't correct (or at the very least wasn't enough of the picture).
- chermi 1y agoI think the church has a few other things going for it. Guilt, redemption, fear of rejection from community, ya know things of that sort. I'm sure you're glad to see corporations taking up such tactics with climate-shaming and such. As long as it's not money.
- LunaSea 1y agoThe church would probably classify this program as marketing costs.