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Well besides software that runs in data centers/ cloud most other software is turning to crap. And people who think this crap is fine have now reached to positi

by geodel 1y ago

Well besides software that runs in data centers/ cloud most other software is turning to crap. And people who think this crap is fine have now reached to position of responsibility at lot of companies. So things would go only worse from here.

sho_hn 1y ago
Except community-developed open source software, which (slowly, perhaps) keeps getting better and has high resistance to enshittification.
- Noaidi 1y ago
  This right here is moving me back to GrapheneOS and Linux. I was lucky enough to be able to uninstall Liquid glAss before the embargo. I will miss the power efficiency of my M1, but the trade off keep looking better and better. being poor, I need to sell my Macbook to get money to pay of my 16e, then sell the 16e and use that money to but a Pixel 9, then probably a but a Thinkpad Carbon X1. Just saying all that to show you the lengths I am going through to boycott/battle the enshitification.
  - pbronez 1y ago
    If you already have an M1 MacBook, why no run Asahi Linux?
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - Noaidi 1y ago
      Is it functional yet? Last I looked at it was about a year ago. Do you have any real use experience of it?
      - kroaton 1y ago
        Look higher up in the thread, someone did a full breakdown.
- Aperocky 1y ago
  Remember log4j? I don't share your enthusiasm. At least its open source and free I guess.
  - HumblyTossed 1y ago
    Wow.
  - usefulcat 1y ago
    That was a bug, not at all the same thing as enshittification.
    - Aperocky 1y ago
      It was enshittification. A logging framework that looks up LDAP servers? Why? Adding extra features that aren't necessarily needed is enshittification, and very not-unix.
      - bzzzt 1y ago
        It's not really added functionality, more unintended consequences of too much flexibility. Java contains JNDI (Java naming & directory interface), a very unified 'directory' system for all kinds of configuration of which LDAP is just one of the backend implementation options. The key issue is you can call into other objects which is unwise to do when used with untrusted user input.
        Aperocky 1y ago
        > The key issue is you can call into other objects which is unwise to do when used with untrusted user input. This, and while in this case it is specifically unwise on security terms, there are plenty of other example where the feature are completely cosmetic and deviates from the core user requirements/scenario.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    What is your point even? That open source has bugs? The closed source does not have such bugs?
- geodel 1y ago
  The OSS that keeps getting "better" is one that accept lot user feature requests and/or implementation. Else maintainers are hostile to users. And when they do accept most of those requests and code we all know how it goes.
- NetMageSCW 1y ago
  Tell that to the people who run gimp development. Open source doesn’t protect from bad decisions and bad directions.
  - sho_hn 1y ago
    Gimp has generally been getting better and more capable for free, and hasn't launched any cloud-based subscription services, feature gates, ad-funded functionality or done price hikes like almost every one of its commercial competitors. There's also Krita, which artists love. That this comment keeps oscillating between upvoted and downvoted (with significant spikes in both directions) is an interesting insight into the span of opinions on HN between the hustler types who hate the idea of software that doesn't turn a quick buck, and the crafters :-)

by geodel 1y ago

sho_hn 1y ago

Except community-developed open source software, which (slowly, perhaps) keeps getting better and has high resistance to enshittification.

Noaidi 1y ago
This right here is moving me back to GrapheneOS and Linux. I was lucky enough to be able to uninstall Liquid glAss before the embargo. I will miss the power efficiency of my M1, but the trade off keep looking better and better. being poor, I need to sell my Macbook to get money to pay of my 16e, then sell the 16e and use that money to but a Pixel 9, then probably a but a Thinkpad Carbon X1. Just saying all that to show you the lengths I am going through to boycott/battle the enshitification.
- pbronez 1y ago
  If you already have an M1 MacBook, why no run Asahi Linux?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - Noaidi 1y ago
    Is it functional yet? Last I looked at it was about a year ago. Do you have any real use experience of it?
    - kroaton 1y ago
      Look higher up in the thread, someone did a full breakdown.
Aperocky 1y ago
Remember log4j? I don't share your enthusiasm. At least its open source and free I guess.
- HumblyTossed 1y ago
  Wow.
- usefulcat 1y ago
  That was a bug, not at all the same thing as enshittification.
  - Aperocky 1y ago
    It was enshittification. A logging framework that looks up LDAP servers? Why? Adding extra features that aren't necessarily needed is enshittification, and very not-unix.
    - bzzzt 1y ago
      It's not really added functionality, more unintended consequences of too much flexibility. Java contains JNDI (Java naming & directory interface), a very unified 'directory' system for all kinds of configuration of which LDAP is just one of the backend implementation options. The key issue is you can call into other objects which is unwise to do when used with untrusted user input.
      - Aperocky 1y ago
        > The key issue is you can call into other objects which is unwise to do when used with untrusted user input. This, and while in this case it is specifically unwise on security terms, there are plenty of other example where the feature are completely cosmetic and deviates from the core user requirements/scenario.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  What is your point even? That open source has bugs? The closed source does not have such bugs?
geodel 1y ago
The OSS that keeps getting "better" is one that accept lot user feature requests and/or implementation. Else maintainers are hostile to users. And when they do accept most of those requests and code we all know how it goes.
NetMageSCW 1y ago
Tell that to the people who run gimp development. Open source doesn’t protect from bad decisions and bad directions.
- sho_hn 1y ago
  Gimp has generally been getting better and more capable for free, and hasn't launched any cloud-based subscription services, feature gates, ad-funded functionality or done price hikes like almost every one of its commercial competitors. There's also Krita, which artists love. That this comment keeps oscillating between upvoted and downvoted (with significant spikes in both directions) is an interesting insight into the span of opinions on HN between the hustler types who hate the idea of software that doesn't turn a quick buck, and the crafters :-)