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> Why would politicians do any of that? Did United States House of Representatives invent anything? Most industries in the US developed due to state and federa

> Why would politicians do any of that? Did United States House of Representatives invent anything? Most industries in the US developed due to state and federal government subsidizes and industrial strategy. You can see this with the development of semiconductor clusters in Oregon, Arizona, and New York in the 1990s-2010s because of state level industrial policy, the development of the telecom hub in Dallas TX in the 90s becuase of Texas's state level industrial policy to leverage the telco boom, and historically Michigan and now South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and TN's industrial policy for automotive manufacturing. Furthermore, this ignores the impact that the IRA and IIJA subsidizes and investment promotion had in bringing European manufacturing industries to the US at the expense of their European operations - so much so that both France and Germany lobbied at all levels of the US during the Biden admin to try and kneecap the policy. > All these EU companies are all private enterprises and they are %100 from a country Absolutely, as are companies in the US yet our states have been open to leveraging industrial policy where possible in order to attract and retain investments. -------------- I am under no illusion that the EU is a country. Heck, if you re-read my initial comment that is my point. I know that it is Germany, France, Netherlands, etc who are setting policies, but the EU at a macro-level can help solve the coordination problem that exists amongst individual EU member states to develop industrious policies. That said the current status quo needs to end - either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, or admit that a unified Europe is ideal and centralize. The current status quo is the worst of both worlds, because the delimitation of power is wonky, and leads to nation state-EU clashes.

mk89 1y ago
> either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, Which is what's happening. This is purely self inflicted BS that we accumulated for roughly 30 years now by making it increasingly harder to say no to things we don't all agree with. Even with all the opt-outs possible, countries still have to follow strict rules to avoid huge fines as a punishment, when they all they ever wanted was free trading and movement between countries. That was pretty much it. I agree you need a coordinator for certain subjects, but that's far away from what we have today.
- mahkeiro 1y ago
  You cannot have free trade without a common legal framework otherwise countries will just drop all norms to compete. If you think that you can have fred trade in Europe without this legal alignment I have a bridge to sell you.
  - mk89 1y ago
    Nope. Don't get the economical aspects mixed up with the political ones. EU (or EEC) up until the 1992 Maastricht treaty was exactly what people wanted/countries needed: free trade / movement of goods etc. In 1992 the good and bad of what we see today began.

mk89 1y ago

> either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, Which is what's happening. This is purely self inflicted BS that we accumulated for roughly 30 years now by making it increasingly harder to say no to things we don't all agree with. Even with all the opt-outs possible, countries still have to follow strict rules to avoid huge fines as a punishment, when they all they ever wanted was free trading and movement between countries. That was pretty much it. I agree you need a coordinator for certain subjects, but that's far away from what we have today.

mahkeiro 1y ago
You cannot have free trade without a common legal framework otherwise countries will just drop all norms to compete. If you think that you can have fred trade in Europe without this legal alignment I have a bridge to sell you.
- mk89 1y ago
  Nope. Don't get the economical aspects mixed up with the political ones. EU (or EEC) up until the 1992 Maastricht treaty was exactly what people wanted/countries needed: free trade / movement of goods etc. In 1992 the good and bad of what we see today began.